For some fans no...but for a lot of fans I think it would be pretty devastating.If we lost the NHRA, would that really be a bad thing?
For some fans no...but for a lot of fans I think it would be pretty devastating.If we lost the NHRA, would that really be a bad thing?
Mike. Im not quite sure what you’re talking about with the first line of your post. Please translate. And I think I might know what those’ ‘ ‘’legal papers ‘ are but maybe you can enlighten us?? I get the message in your words and know you as a great drag racer. But if nhra was so bad why’d you stick around so long?? I’m not a racer. Im a loooong time fan. I think nhra does a very good job of putting on great drag races. Especially when you consider the decline in fan base over the last 10 yrs. and some might say nhra is to blame for that. But nhra has provided the frame work for mike kosky and hundreds of other dedicated racers to race in safety in front of tens of thousands of fans each weekend. I give them credit. Yeah, its a business. Yeah, the top echelon might have their eye on the bottom line. And yeah, maybe They should appoint Snake as chairman of the board. Nobody would say Steve Gibbs didn’t love the sport. And of course they got Alan . And maybe we all have too much time to complain these days. Asher is a professional complainer. But his arguments are most times poorly supported with any good alternatives.We will pay ourselves big money and this will go-away----this is how its been since Wally left us-the undeserving as you can see now lead us. Now I remember what those legal papers sent to me meant,.Racing is not the object profit is.,We have no leaders other than profiteers.THat have Wally turning over- I was lucky to raced for the last 60+ yrs and be able to say it all ways wase'nt this way-big business all ways finds out how to rip off the playing and the paying. They manage to get rid of all the good people that work there now all we got are the kiss asses-no longer the racing-good people that started this org. I guess the next time- hopefully I go racing I will be further in the MUD. This what loyalty of 60 plus years gets UU-replies appreciated-MIKE KOSKY-The clowns now finally are paying to perform. Take -Take- charge, charge more, give less.
Well saidYour argument falls apart at the get go because NHRA is not in the same league as NASCAR, Indycar, MLB, et al. You're carrying Jon Asher's water because even he knows this to be true and the article was created to be "edgy" or "critical" but falls flat. This is the same outlet whose editor came out to say how he contracted COVID-19, how bad it is and that it's real, but then failed to ask Bill Bader Jr. why he thought it was a vast conspiracy. I don't understand why it's OK to call out Peter Clifford but not Bill Bader - people play favorites and it is what it is.
NHRA doesn't have the luxury of having a product that translates to TV like MLB, NASCAR, etc, and their revenue stream is fundamentally different. MLB can play to empty stadiums with only the players and essential personnel on the field. NASCAR can run a race with the "big show" cars and crew in an empty speedway. Both can have telecasts and actually make money on the broadcast. NHRA, on the other hand, depends on entry fees and gate concessions and (from what I understand) actually loses money on the TV broadcast. In other words, unlike the other sports, NHRA requires thousands of people because the sportsman classes are an important cog in NHRA's financial machine..
NHRA is being prudent and will run races 1.) when the states allow and 2.) when it makes sense financially to do so.
At the end of the day this is a whole lot of whining about absolutely nothing.
Are the board taking pay cuts while not working?put our heads in the sand and we will be back racing soon.If you think you Know what the papers where then you might know. I never said NHRA was bad I said its bad how it's being run now.Never said this is not the greatest show and all ways was.And as you point out AIan is big part of the show along with the rest of the working staff'.I believe its a big business and it needs to bring in more sponsorship yes its not 1970 as Alan said. But all corperations that are for profit if you don't bring in new money you go broke a slow death.And yes NHRA has been good for me but as they say one hand washes the other.For something to ponder my first national win brought me17000.00$ my last 30yrs. later total appx.7500.oo$ Our qualifyng money has been the same sinsce25 yrs ago how much has board given there selves over that same time ?We still after fourty plus years of racing at the prestigious US nationals park in swamps we moved from gravel to there.- That should be enough rant for now.And to reiterate I never said once that NHRA racing did not treat me good-MikeMike. Im not quite sure what you’re talking about with the first line of your post. Please translate. And I think I might know what those’ ‘ ‘’legal papers ‘ are but maybe you can enlighten us?? I get the message in your words and know you as a great drag racer. But if nhra was so bad why’d you stick around so long?? I’m not a racer. Im a loooong time fan. I think nhra does a very good job of putting on great drag races. Especially when you consider the decline in fan base over the last 10 yrs. and some might say nhra is to blame for that. But nhra has provided the frame work for mike kosky and hundreds of other dedicated racers to race in safety in front of tens of thousands of fans each weekend. I give them credit. Yeah, its a business. Yeah, the top echelon might have their eye on the bottom line. And yeah, maybe They should appoint Snake as chairman of the board. Nobody would say Steve Gibbs didn’t love the sport. And of course they got Alan . And maybe we all have too much time to complain these days. Asher is a professional complainer. But his arguments are most times poorly supported with any good alternatives.
Ok mike. I hear youAre the board taking pay cuts while not working?put our heads in the sand and we will be back racing soon.If you think you Know what the papers where then you might know. I never said NHRA was bad I said its bad how it's being run now.Never said this is not the greatest show and all ways was.And as you point out AIan is big part of the show along with the rest of the working staff'.I believe its a big business and it needs to bring in more sponsorship yes its not 1970 as Alan said. But all corperations that are for profit if you don't bring in new money you go broke a slow death.And yes NHRA has been good for me but as they say one hand washes the other.For something to ponder my first national win brought me17000.00$ my last 30yrs. later total appx.7500.oo$ Our qualifyng money has been the same sinsce25 yrs ago how much has board given there selves over that same time ?We still after fourty plus years of racing at the prestigious US nationals park in swamps we moved from gravel to there.- That should be enough rant for now.And to reiterate I never said once that NHRA racing did not treat me good-Mike
Last one: Thank you so much for elevating the Grenade to the Number 1 qualifying spot at Indy in 1973, but the harsh truth is that we were a DNQ! However, we did set Low E.T. of the Meet in 1974 (6.017) when we qualified ninth and lost in the second round.
Jon Asher
Let me state a few views on Mr. Ashers views of today and back when. From the time Mr. Asher started a magazine in the Midwest called, All American Drags, his negativity has been consistent concerning the NHRA. He claims to a degree that the NHRA has dropped the publicity ball.
He claims that the NHRA has not put out releases like Indy Car or Nascar with a frequency he deems appropriate. Let me delve further into this slight with a little perspective from one who is employed and actively involved in the operation of a successfull racetrack. My other world is the realm of short track oval racing, primarily on dirt.
There are not endless fluff releases from the World of Outlaw Sprints and Late Models. The Lucas Oil Dirt Late Model Series. The World Racing Group's DIRT Big & Small Block Modifieds. All Star Circuit of Champions Sprints, (owned and run by Tony Stewart)USAC Sprint, Silver Crown, and Midgets, ISMS Supermodifieds, IMCA, USMTS, and dozens of others. Does that make them sub-par Jon?
Mr. Asher has always taken to task the NHRA for over 40 years and the same line he tows has grown quite old, has for many a moon. The tone of most of his belly-ache fests have little to no solutions, just attacks.
This is not against him on a personal note, just opinions expressed. I have had the chance thru these near 60 years of this stuff to talk to Jon and I will leave the personality aspects out of this.
I have seen what the NHRA was back in the early 60's and where we have progressed until now. Over all it has climbed the ladder and done well, perfect? Who or what is? Room for improvement, sure. While series such as Nascar, has seen attendance drops, our gang racing on the strip is doing pretty dang good. The timing of the shows, length of Sunday's shows have come a long ways.
I would love in a fantasy world to see Mr. Asher run the show and see how awesome he could be. I find whenever I read anything from Mr. Asher it would be a eye-roller with the thoughts, here we go again, another gripe fest on how bad the NHRA is. Too bad he could just shoot good pictures like Jim Kelly, Richard Brady,Bob McClurg, Jere Alhadeff, Tim Marshall, Steve Reyes and Larry Maxwell to name a few instead of being always negative about the NHRA.
TopFuel@Lions
Talladega Announcer
This is absolutely true. I don't think anybody denies that all organizations need someone to keep them honest and tell the hard truths. However, for criticism to be constructive, it has to come from someone whose word you take seriously. You don't have to like them, but you do have to respect their opinion. When there's a lengthy history of nothing but negativity toward your organization, often excessive or unfounded, that respect goes away and words will fall on deaf ears, even if there are occasionally valid points.When it comes to business there are times when you need someone to point out what you could be doing better. It’s easy to get lazy or fall into a routine with blinders on. You may not like the messenger or the message. Criticism has helped me become better than any compliments thrown my way.
After rereading the thread and paying particular attention to Jon's post I have three questions. And I would really like an answer. I could call or text Jon just as he could me. But, this played in in this forum and I would like it to be posted here.
Jon,
1: What was the objective of the original story? To help? To hurt? Or just to throw a turd in the punch bowl?
2: Did you leave the situation better or worse then you found it?
3: You stated, these are YOUR WORDS. " My intent has ALWAYS been to try and improve drag racing." Did you do that here?
Alan
Jon,
You can obviously correctly count question marks, I assumed that you would understand a multiple choice question.
I'm sure that you will continue to "Try and improve drag racing" as I will continue to be proud up for the organization that I work for. Even if they're not perfect.
I do have one request. Whatever business venture I may get involved with in the future, would you please NOT try to help me? I would prefer to see if I can succeed without your assistance.
Alan