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Did Force do the right thing?
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Chili
Nitro Member
I disagree... You left out an option. And because of the diving that has and probably will take place it's nice to have this option to cheer for. Del Worsham just became my new favorite driver.(always cheered for him anyway). He's the only FC driver in the countdown without a teammate to block and dive for him.
As for Force "doing the right thing"?I would say probably yes. Do I like it? NO
I'm with you. Hopefully Worsham can win the championship.
nitrojunky
Nitro Member
Chris, you just brought up a very valid point. All this hub bub about getting into the championship, pleassssse if any one of the multi-car ops has a chance to help make sure their teammate wins the Championship you can bet your bottom dollar they will. If they don't, they better not hold their breathe that their sponsor will be there next year. Sponsors are dropping like flies and these guys have to do what ever they can to keep them happy. Again, I don't like people taking dives but it is a fact of life in the sport we love and support. So get worked up all you want but it is here to stay. John had no other choice. If it comes down to it with Tony and Cruz in the remaining portion of this season they will do it also. With any luck it will be more convincing.
Tbone
Nitro Member
I don't think it matters...if Force had of hazed at any point in that race, everyone would have said he took a dive...you can balee dat!!!
force fan
Nitro Member
Randy
Nitro Member
Amen to that. Go Del, or Wilk. Or Ron...or Jack.
I am rooting for the above 4 along with Tasca and Pedregon.
90-percent
Nitro Member
It was a "business decision."
I've seen that term a lot over the years, in many contexts well outside of racing.
Here's my interpretation: Making a "business decision" simply means that any sleezy, harsh, unfair, unjust, untrue, lying, heartless, dishonorable and hypocritical decision you make can be justified merely by calling it a "business decision".
The only thing you can't do under the blanket of this term is something blatantly criminal!
if it's done in the name of business, virtually anything goes, as long as it doesn't cause a murder.*
I actually support the outcome of Force vs. Hight, because John's JOB ONE is to take care of his sponsors any way he can. There may have been one pre-determined Force team outcome, but there was a lot of other round wins by both John and Robert that were PURE HEADS UP RACING that were contests in which only the best race car wins. Robert got into the top ten because of damn good racing from both his team and John's.
I worry about Pro Drag Racing's future with the combination of this economic down turn and NHRA's frequent sponsor alienating behavior, and I strongly support anything done out there that is in the best interest of the Sponsors.
And it's certainly ironic that this Countdown thing, intended to make the points race more exciting to fans, is producing the unintended consequences of sponsors throttling back on sponsorships if their car(s) don't make it into the Countdown after Indy.
Finally, NHRA making rules that are not written or openly distributed certainly doesn't help. The problem of team orders making for pre-determined race outcomes cannot be solved merely by making a rule that such a thing is not allowed. That rule is so unenforceable in so many ways and is so prone to arbitrary opinions from the enforcer, that the ruling, whether it sanctions the outcome of the race or over rules it, will always be in question. Would fans be happy if it was Mike Dunn's call on whether a race was fixed or not? He's probably the best one out there to make that call, and, in his 'ruling' on Force vs. Hight, there is enough reasonable doubt to question Dunn's call on the outcome.
Team racing strictly heads up when Countdown standings are on the line is certainly honorable, but, is merely a bad business decision, from my point of view! Hey, I lost my sponsor, but my personal honor is still intact. All of us wage slaves have to do things every day that may compromise our integrity. It is a very rare person indeed that can go through life without sacrificing some personal integrity and honor!
There's no going back from teams and occasional pre-determined outcomes and there is absolutely nobody out there, including the Pedregons, that is completely without sin.
-90% jimmy
* this phrase is from a Zappa song, although I forget exactly which one...maybe Teenage Wind?
I've seen that term a lot over the years, in many contexts well outside of racing.
Here's my interpretation: Making a "business decision" simply means that any sleezy, harsh, unfair, unjust, untrue, lying, heartless, dishonorable and hypocritical decision you make can be justified merely by calling it a "business decision".
The only thing you can't do under the blanket of this term is something blatantly criminal!
if it's done in the name of business, virtually anything goes, as long as it doesn't cause a murder.*
I actually support the outcome of Force vs. Hight, because John's JOB ONE is to take care of his sponsors any way he can. There may have been one pre-determined Force team outcome, but there was a lot of other round wins by both John and Robert that were PURE HEADS UP RACING that were contests in which only the best race car wins. Robert got into the top ten because of damn good racing from both his team and John's.
I worry about Pro Drag Racing's future with the combination of this economic down turn and NHRA's frequent sponsor alienating behavior, and I strongly support anything done out there that is in the best interest of the Sponsors.
And it's certainly ironic that this Countdown thing, intended to make the points race more exciting to fans, is producing the unintended consequences of sponsors throttling back on sponsorships if their car(s) don't make it into the Countdown after Indy.
Finally, NHRA making rules that are not written or openly distributed certainly doesn't help. The problem of team orders making for pre-determined race outcomes cannot be solved merely by making a rule that such a thing is not allowed. That rule is so unenforceable in so many ways and is so prone to arbitrary opinions from the enforcer, that the ruling, whether it sanctions the outcome of the race or over rules it, will always be in question. Would fans be happy if it was Mike Dunn's call on whether a race was fixed or not? He's probably the best one out there to make that call, and, in his 'ruling' on Force vs. Hight, there is enough reasonable doubt to question Dunn's call on the outcome.
Team racing strictly heads up when Countdown standings are on the line is certainly honorable, but, is merely a bad business decision, from my point of view! Hey, I lost my sponsor, but my personal honor is still intact. All of us wage slaves have to do things every day that may compromise our integrity. It is a very rare person indeed that can go through life without sacrificing some personal integrity and honor!
There's no going back from teams and occasional pre-determined outcomes and there is absolutely nobody out there, including the Pedregons, that is completely without sin.
-90% jimmy
* this phrase is from a Zappa song, although I forget exactly which one...maybe Teenage Wind?
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couldn't agree more!!!
You are exactly right Doc. They ALL would do the exact same thing if in that position.
Bullard Anderson
Nitro Member
If the driver in the cockpit goes up to the line with the full intent of losing the race on purpose, the driver needs to get out of the cockpit.
"Dr. Dirt"
Nitro Member
If I look at the top 10 all time greats of the NHRA only one would do that and it is the one who did it on Monday. I would love to see someone tell Shirley to throw a race, they would have 2 black eyes and a fat lip.
Joker
Nitro Member
Bad example, the only person Shirley thinks of is herself. She doesnt know what TEAM stands for.
If you think for one minute the Snake, or Bernstein wouldnt do it your nuts.
Could of, would of, DID NOT!
rollingthunder
Nitro Member
Hey as John Force said I DON'T MAKE MISTAKE.
Guess he is right in his own mind.
Guess he is right in his own mind.
