How is dropping almost a whole bank of cylinders making more power?
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Antron OK after round 1 accident
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How is dropping almost a whole bank of cylinders making more power?
I'm actually happy that NHRA didn't listen in this case! 1/8 mile Fuel racing would be a kiss in the puss.
yoda
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Rajunz
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These rants of your's make NO SENSE bro. It's the same as saying that the Department of Public Safety needs to change their name because someone looses a wheel on the highway, crosses over and kills an oncoming motorist. It was a very tragic accident, but unfortunately accidents do happen. Saying that the NHRA doesn't care about the safety of their spectators is absurd. The NHRA didn't cause this accident, they surely didn't wish for this to happen. It's very unfortunate, but it was an accident, I'm sure things will be learned from it.
My prayers and condolences do go out to the family and friends of the spectator that was struck, it's really a sad tragedy.
Triple Nickel II
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Agreed.
I'm glad that someone did post it. Media reports are making it sound like the tire was pitched into the grandstands instead of the pits... 1/4 mile from the starting line.
Dave
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Also the crowd isn't stupid, you can hear the guy clearly in the video "Oh those people got nailed." They knew what was going on. New NHRA rule.. get people off the fences and away from the track. You buy a grandstand seat or you stay out. Should have been done long ago.
Im no racer but physics is physics and common sense is common sense. Lets imagine that wheel and tire as a spring. That tire has 8000 horsepower forcing it to grip into the track so thats putting it under alot of tension especially on those studs. Now back to the spring comparison you have a spring its loose its under no tension you put in on a table and you push and hold the spring until its coil bound now that spring is under tension alot of tension then let go off it what its do? well it does what springs do. Now imagine all that tension built up in a wheel/tire on a fueler and then its suddenly unloaded where is all that tension going to go? wheel studs! Theres a chance nothing was made faulty and nobody did anything wrong but accidents still happen.
Oh and I also want to comment on the person who said that they don't need to go 310 at 1000 feet to put on a show. I hate it when it gets called a show those guys out there are racing and doing what it takes to win.
Oh and I also want to comment on the person who said that they don't need to go 310 at 1000 feet to put on a show. I hate it when it gets called a show those guys out there are racing and doing what it takes to win.
That tire was hauling ass when it skimmed on the spectator wall and it went into the pits.
Treeshaker
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First off, condolences to the family of the lady that died.
I guess the reason we all have loads of insurance, from health, death, liability, etc., is that we are accustom to everyone guarding against every possible scenario that can possibly take place in life that may hurt or kill us, NOT. Accidents and situations occur. I am sure that NHRA, the track, and the race team have liability insurance, and that is who will be handling the next of kin and their ambulance chasing lawyers.
And part of our life experience is death. We will all have the occasion to experience it. Why, when and where it happens is very hard for each of us to control. If you believe in a God, destiny and fate, this was a situation where that lady was called to life hereafter. It was just her time.
We don't stop our lives when some one is killed in an auto accident, so why should an event be stopped?
Our tort system has limited us on what we can say and what can be done in emergency situations if you are remotely involved.
Many tracks have a rule against standing at the fence. Others have more room between spectators and the track. What is a safe distance? How tall of a fence could you build to make it safe? How fine of a mesh to keep small fragments from coming through?
If five 5/8" studs will not hold a wheel on, what material can be used for a tether? If the wheel had been installed errantly, then what makes us think the tether would be installed correctly? And if we tether the center, what happens when the wheel breaks or the tire comes apart? What can they be covered with that will withstand the forces exerted by the wheel and/or tire? Not saying it cannot be done, just that I do not have an answer.
The Safety Safari is for on track emergencies. There is an ambulance and emergency staff for the spectators that was dispatched immediately. If some of the spectators that were calling for help would have been more prepared themselves in first aid so that they could be a help to anyone around them that needs it they wouldn't have been standing there feeling useless yelling.
I guess the reason we all have loads of insurance, from health, death, liability, etc., is that we are accustom to everyone guarding against every possible scenario that can possibly take place in life that may hurt or kill us, NOT. Accidents and situations occur. I am sure that NHRA, the track, and the race team have liability insurance, and that is who will be handling the next of kin and their ambulance chasing lawyers.
And part of our life experience is death. We will all have the occasion to experience it. Why, when and where it happens is very hard for each of us to control. If you believe in a God, destiny and fate, this was a situation where that lady was called to life hereafter. It was just her time.
We don't stop our lives when some one is killed in an auto accident, so why should an event be stopped?
Our tort system has limited us on what we can say and what can be done in emergency situations if you are remotely involved.
Many tracks have a rule against standing at the fence. Others have more room between spectators and the track. What is a safe distance? How tall of a fence could you build to make it safe? How fine of a mesh to keep small fragments from coming through?
If five 5/8" studs will not hold a wheel on, what material can be used for a tether? If the wheel had been installed errantly, then what makes us think the tether would be installed correctly? And if we tether the center, what happens when the wheel breaks or the tire comes apart? What can they be covered with that will withstand the forces exerted by the wheel and/or tire? Not saying it cannot be done, just that I do not have an answer.
The Safety Safari is for on track emergencies. There is an ambulance and emergency staff for the spectators that was dispatched immediately. If some of the spectators that were calling for help would have been more prepared themselves in first aid so that they could be a help to anyone around them that needs it they wouldn't have been standing there feeling useless yelling.
Kansas Stan
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This is just a thought I had....would it help to go to a wheel and hub with MORE studs? Like eight or ten of the same type. Just a thought.
As far as legal aspects keeping NHRA from making statements, I don't buy into that at all. I work with an ambulance service and am well aware of HIPPA regulations (my wife is the HIPPA witch at our med center). Absolutely no reason why NHRA can't issue a statement...they just can't mention name or indentity associated information.
As far as legal aspects keeping NHRA from making statements, I don't buy into that at all. I work with an ambulance service and am well aware of HIPPA regulations (my wife is the HIPPA witch at our med center). Absolutely no reason why NHRA can't issue a statement...they just can't mention name or indentity associated information.
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I remember in Atlanta, Even with my restricted area pass they wouldn't let me stand by the fence alongside the track. Don't know if it was because I was a vision obstruction of for safety. Who knows what the answer is, I was just responding to someone who was claiming it couldn't be done. That attitude is a pet peeve of mine that at times I have run across in my business. Is there a solution that would work in every situation? that is doubtful. Does a engine diaper prevent oil downs? Sometimes, A full bellypan to the coupler? Sometimes, Will this years automatic chute release systems work every time? In the first race of the season Haddock proved they wouldn't. So there is no reason to not at least put the idea out there. What material can possibly tether a wheel to a hub spinning with 8000 horsepower? Don't know the precise answer to that. Its just a concept.
Triple Nickel II
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More studs means
more holes in the wheel which means
less material between the holes which means
a weaker wheel.
Unfortunately, in a (somewhat) unlimited class, it is always going to be a case of the 'next weakest link'.
Be as safe as you can be, but sometimes sh*t happens!
First. Deepest condolence to the family and friends of the lost.
Not so serious part: Just keep it up Virgil, just keep it up, you just don't get it do ya? Common sense, practical knowledge, deductive reasoning etc. Are you kidding? Next thing you will bring up tensile strength, clamp loading, modulus of materials elasticity, forces like static and dynamic, etc...
yoda
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Thats pretty harsh considering a spectator died yesterday.So, so wrong.....
You want to stay safe? Stay home. Take up knitting.
yoda
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Not as harsh as Dave's 20/20 hindsight....
You are right. Whats a spectators life worth when you can make a point on a message board, right?
Dave
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Not saying it's going to happen, but it's no more wrong than going to 1,000ft after Kalitta's death. An accident has occured and a change needs to be made because of it. Besides people at the fence just block traffic in and out of the stands and block peoples view anyways. You can't stand at the fence at indy anymore, why should you be able to here?
yoda
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Like you're doing. Greg?
Old Guy Rookie
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This (the tire) happened beyond the far end of the east side grandstands closer to the finish line, where the sportsmans pits back up to the second set of retaining walls.
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