Really? So tell me how the ladder is going to play out when there are 18 cars, or 21 cars, or 26 cars, etc.? The next step up to make the ladder work correctly is 32 cars.
So no, problem not solved.
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Really? So tell me how the ladder is going to play out when there are 18 cars, or 21 cars, or 26 cars, etc.? The next step up to make the ladder work correctly is 32 cars.
So no, problem not solved.
I like the racing.if you think a minute there are two winners every round except for finals just like there being two car seep rate races.they are doing this kind of stuff so people don't have to stay at the track so long daily.me I hate the short turn around times,have always staying late at Indy and talking with drivers and crew,now a days everyone is gone by 9 or 10
my friends call me Zappy
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It's called a "Bye" run. Been around since the beginning . If you want more cars to come - you've got to let more cars run.
Remember a few years ago we had low counts for a while. What happened...?? all of sudden there were cars showing up we never heard of.
Why?? because they knew they could race on Sunday. There sponsors would be seen/mentioned on TV.
The cars are out there, let them race and they WILL show up.
Yes, I know what a bye run is, but who wants to pay money to see a lot of bye runs? Here's a great link that shows what the ladders would look like with various car counts......pay attention to the number of diagonally shaded boxes.
http://www.fia.com/sites/default/files/regulation/file/ladder_Pro.pdf
my friends call me Zappy
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Don't be fooled by the number of shaded boxes sir. You can only have one bye run per rd. Excluding the final. Depending on the number
of cars (in the field) you pick, you may only see one or two Bye runs all day. With some folks unable to keep track of four cars for 4 secs. they
will be thrilled getting to watch only one car.
Bye runs have been a part of drag racing all along. A ladder works correctly with any number.
of cars (in the field) you pick, you may only see one or two Bye runs all day. With some folks unable to keep track of four cars for 4 secs. they
will be thrilled getting to watch only one car.
Bye runs have been a part of drag racing all along. A ladder works correctly with any number.
cantdrive55
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The more I think about it, the 4 Wide would be best suited as a 32 car show for the Pros (TF, FC, PS, PSB, PM) running as an All-Star event with zero points and the winner gets a hefty check for their efforts. Sportsman racers need to be included, just not sure how. Maybe run the JEGS All-Stars with them? The date would need to move though. The second week of April is too early in the season for an All-Star race.
I don't even understand, my post said nothing about the facility or the current state of NHRA. If they're going to struggle trying to find 32 cars, why in the world would you even theorize they could somehow dream up 64 or 128?????I tried it in person and decided to never never waste the money again. IMO it's the worst race on the circuit although I agree its a nice facility. That race started my disatisfaction with the current drag racing environment, the national events and NHRA. Wouldn't go back if it was 64 cars. Might consider it for 128
Who's blaming anyone in regards to low car counts?
my friends call me Zappy
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[QUOTE="Keith Otenberger, post: 327754
Who's blaming anyone in regards to low car counts?[/QUOTE]
My mistake, in another thread about 4 wide, some one said something about the drivers must not like 4 wide because the count was low.
Must not have been you, my bad.
Who's blaming anyone in regards to low car counts?[/QUOTE]
My mistake, in another thread about 4 wide, some one said something about the drivers must not like 4 wide because the count was low.
Must not have been you, my bad.
Treeshaker
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Kieth, I look at your picture and for the life of me I cannot fathom how someone can get confused because there are more than two cars on the track. They are all right there in front of you. At the end of the run the scoreboards flash the ET's of the 4 lanes and then the mph's of the 4 lanes and have win lights. Two cars move on, 2 cars go home each round. Eight first round losers, 4 second round and then the event winner, runner up and two semi finalist in the last round. Is that hard to understand? I think a lot of people close their minds and make up situations to try to justify their view on why they resent something different, and this event is different.
In Jim's defense, he was probably talking about 2nd round when Alexis won and Blake lost. It is hard to tell a plain black car with a big Monroe sticker on it's flank from a busy black car with a big Patron on it's door. Look at the picture again and you may get confused because there are two mostly white cars running, so which one is Tasca and which one is Wilkerson?
The 4 wide race gets people talking about the sport of drag racing which I think is good for the sport. Local TV and print media run stories about the 4 wide where they normally ignore the fall race and the closer race in Atlanta. Business owners in this area take their employees to the 4 wide event, NASCAR team employees come out in mass to see the event (even though they raced the night before in Darlington), every day people that do not attend drag race events ask questions about the 4 wide race.
I am not trying to change the opinions of those with all the negativity, but I am suggesting that anyone that hasn't been before to see it live to put it on their bucket list and go to determine for yourself. I believe, like most I talk to, that you will enjoy the excitement of this event. You will also quickly see who the drivers are that can use the mass between their ears for more than holding up their hat.
What 16 car limit? You mean you want an all run field?
In Jim's defense, he was probably talking about 2nd round when Alexis won and Blake lost. It is hard to tell a plain black car with a big Monroe sticker on it's flank from a busy black car with a big Patron on it's door. Look at the picture again and you may get confused because there are two mostly white cars running, so which one is Tasca and which one is Wilkerson?
The 4 wide race gets people talking about the sport of drag racing which I think is good for the sport. Local TV and print media run stories about the 4 wide where they normally ignore the fall race and the closer race in Atlanta. Business owners in this area take their employees to the 4 wide event, NASCAR team employees come out in mass to see the event (even though they raced the night before in Darlington), every day people that do not attend drag race events ask questions about the 4 wide race.
I am not trying to change the opinions of those with all the negativity, but I am suggesting that anyone that hasn't been before to see it live to put it on their bucket list and go to determine for yourself. I believe, like most I talk to, that you will enjoy the excitement of this event. You will also quickly see who the drivers are that can use the mass between their ears for more than holding up their hat.
What 16 car limit? You mean you want an all run field?
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I went there thinking I would like it. Ended up not and dislike it even more on TV. It's not a matter of closed mindedness. I love football too, but don't wish to watch 4 teams play at once either. I can live with it as a once-a-year race and that's fine. It just is no longer on my go to or watch list.
People talk about the Kardashians and Lindsey Lohan too....it's doesn't mean it's good.
Treeshaker
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I think Lohan is a great actress who has some troubles with life after work. Don't know what the Kardashians do as I have never watched them, but a lot of people must as they make a s***pot full of money each year. I don't watch Miley Cyrus either, but she grossed $83 million in 2013. Did anyone do this with their race team for any year?
NHRA needs to make profits to survive and grow. Race teams must at least break even to survive. They need to gain this income from sponsors and paid spectators. And to do this they must put on a show that people (every one) talks about and remembers. There needs to be a hook to grab their attention and I believe diversity in the show at all venues and live broadcasts are needed.
As it is now, just about all shows are the same and people have just plain gotten tired of watching the same ole thing.
NHRA needs to make profits to survive and grow. Race teams must at least break even to survive. They need to gain this income from sponsors and paid spectators. And to do this they must put on a show that people (every one) talks about and remembers. There needs to be a hook to grab their attention and I believe diversity in the show at all venues and live broadcasts are needed.
As it is now, just about all shows are the same and people have just plain gotten tired of watching the same ole thing.
mick
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exactly, the 4-wides is the first real unique event since the former all-star race @ bristol; and a good chance the race
receives more press than it's counterpart countdown race does following indy. (think about that for a second)
the return of the traxxas shootouts probably improves attendance @ indy, and possibly tv ratings.
a two day race with sat. evening/night elims IMO is also very much doable, wish nhra would try it.
Ice Bucket
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For what its worth, I had buddy call me on Sunday asking what is this deal, it's cool! Keep in mind this is die hard dirt track racer and he has been to national events before and gives me a hard time about drag racing being boring. He had a bunch of questions about it and wanted to go out there next year. I bring this up to point out if a once a year "novelty" race is what it takes to get more fans interested, its a great thing.
I think the race is really cool and offers a unique strategy making it more interesting than a regular show. Any more than once a year and it would loose appeal. I also think keeping as a points race keeps the integrity of the event. Having a non-points race in this day and age is tough, these cars cost too much to run just to put on a exhibition. Either way, it has caused a lot of banter about the sport, no such thing as negative press in this situation.
I think the race is really cool and offers a unique strategy making it more interesting than a regular show. Any more than once a year and it would loose appeal. I also think keeping as a points race keeps the integrity of the event. Having a non-points race in this day and age is tough, these cars cost too much to run just to put on a exhibition. Either way, it has caused a lot of banter about the sport, no such thing as negative press in this situation.
cantdrive55
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My mistake, in another thread about 4 wide, some one said something about the drivers must not like 4 wide because the count was low.
Must not have been you, my bad.[/QUOTE]
ahh, that makes sense.
cantdrive55
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Thanks Virgil, and yes I posted the wrong pic, that's my fault.
I attended the first three 4 Wide races, haven't been to the last two for $$$ reasons. I have nothing against the 4 Wide, it's different and for me it took until the 3rd running to really get used to it, and accept it. But, because it's so different I think it would've made for a great All-Star platform. An All-Star event is supposed to get everyone's attention, especially new fans. I also think doubling the fields to 32, if at all possible, would be added excitement with one more round of racing if you keep the current win/lose format in place. And, for some of the long time fans 32 car fields might bring a bit of nostalgia back. These are just my opinions. I realize many will disagree.
my friends call me Zappy
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[QUOTE="Virgil Hartman, post:
What 16 car limit? You mean you want an all run field?[/QUOTE]
Yes, all run. If you can pass tech, let them race. Some folks on here complain about the "same old winners". Well if you only let the
same cars race, you're gonna get the same winners. Let the lower funded and part time cars in the natl. events. Then you
create the chance for up-sets. A David vs Goliath kinda thing. Maybe David runs a 3.90 - but Goliath shakes the chute out.
David advances to the next rd.
What 16 car limit? You mean you want an all run field?[/QUOTE]
Yes, all run. If you can pass tech, let them race. Some folks on here complain about the "same old winners". Well if you only let the
same cars race, you're gonna get the same winners. Let the lower funded and part time cars in the natl. events. Then you
create the chance for up-sets. A David vs Goliath kinda thing. Maybe David runs a 3.90 - but Goliath shakes the chute out.
David advances to the next rd.
SundayNiagara
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Right now, Saturday at a national event draws the biggest crowd, because, ALL RUN!
Thanks, that's the race I was talking about and yes, at a closer look the car difference is obvious, however from ESPN's camera angle (driver's right, at the finish line shooting towards the starting line, trying to squeeze all 4 cars in frame) I got all excited because I thought Blake had won, only to find out I was mistaken. Probably a sign of my limited brain power, but I don't typically have that problem at two car drags.
