Bobby
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you can't tell the difference between 1000' and 1320' - watch this
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Thank You if your point is sarcastic. If not, how can you NOT tell. Look at the video, look where 1320 is and where 1000 is. Yes they are beyond the finish but it would not be by much if 1320 was it.
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mick
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thanks bob - great video, maybe best i've seen from top end.
yes, very noticeable difference, and not just from this video.
regardless; with the present distance 75% of the historical standard combined
with a myriad of other factors that evolved this sport into what it is today.......
two words...........NIGHT ELIMINATIONS.
this is a huge positive for these fire breathing rocketships; the physics of
light and sound alone are almost worth the price of admission.
why night racing is relegated to qualifying only is beyond me.
sat. night elims - if i was running the show i wouldn't have a clue what to do,
but at least i'd try that, at least once somewhere on a 23 race schedule.
(i think they did it once in st. louis on account of very hot weather?)
yes, very noticeable difference, and not just from this video.
regardless; with the present distance 75% of the historical standard combined
with a myriad of other factors that evolved this sport into what it is today.......
two words...........NIGHT ELIMINATIONS.
this is a huge positive for these fire breathing rocketships; the physics of
light and sound alone are almost worth the price of admission.
why night racing is relegated to qualifying only is beyond me.
sat. night elims - if i was running the show i wouldn't have a clue what to do,
but at least i'd try that, at least once somewhere on a 23 race schedule.
(i think they did it once in st. louis on account of very hot weather?)
Pomona's stands used to go to just past 1,200'. You notice NHRA quit selling those seats once they went to 1000'! And now they claim it's over air traffic safety!
Huge
Nitro Member
Joe right after the world finals this year a plane just missed the stands you are talking about and crashed on to the horse racetrack and killed the pilot. I would be very surprised if they ever let anyone sit there again.
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Rajunz
Nitro Member
They quit selling those seats a few years before 1,000ft.
Bill
Nitro Member
I want to meet the guy (or, gal) who can sit (or stand) at the finish line and tell the difference in a car going 320 mph and one going 335.
I sure can't do it, and I'm not sure if anyone else can, either. That's a difference of just over 4 percent.
Any takers?
Lance, I took this pic at the 2007 World finals at 1200'
Watching from 1200' ft is a trip! They come by Fast! - Kingnitro's Photos
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Well then why were they built that way back in '93? And now all of a sudden they are unsafe?
Huge
Nitro Member
You would have to ask Nhra that question. They use to let fans in to the staging lanes all the way up to the big door, but not any more.
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I tried creeping up to that Big door many times only to get turned away!
Bill
Nitro Member
Didn't think so...
And worse nowadays it's an "only select races have it and otherwise if your lucky you will get it" aka top fuel qualifying friday night ends at 8pm and then sun is still out, I hate That.
Plus on the seats beyond 1000 ft, Raceway Park has the Top End Zone where I like to be to shoot my videos, that's the only real "past 1000 ft" seats available on the tour I do believe, and that's GA as well.
Let's try to open Bill's eyes here.
If you actually think that crap is the same as 1,320, then I can't debate you because you wouldn't understand.. Go outside today and sprint 1,000' and then 1,320', and you might open your eyes. That last leg is tough, and it should be. Some can stay with you, and some can't. You may run out of energy at 1,000' and the guy who was behind you the whole time proves stronger and passes you when you are stressed the most, and THAT my friend is the component that you haven't considered or even understand.
I won't go in to the utter silliness of actually "watching" 1,000' racing because I know what both look like.
What happens in the last 320', which is longer than a football field, it all about a tune up that can hold together and keep pulling. The tuners and owners LOVE 1,000' racing because it's easier on parts, a simple performance target to prepare for, and because 1,320' racing is much harder to be consistant at. Again, creating more seperation of the funded from the underfunded.. How many times did the underdog prove to be better in the longer runs of the 1,320 days and make it to a final in the 80's and 90's? It happened a LOT, almost every race turned up a true upset somewhere on the grid.. I remember a ton of times where the rich man's tune up would crumble at the end...
It's pretty easy to tune for a short burst. There's a lot less risk, less perssure in tuning for 25% less track, and a much smaller window to have to truly perform.
To equip an engine to actually have to endure 25% more load at peak RPM made the sport what it was.
Many things happen in the last stretch that allows a different result, and all of that is now moot under these new rules.
So, I personally think this crap is a joke, and a major reason why the unknowing public would turn the channel to something more interesting to watch on TV.
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MW
Nitro Member
Let's try to open Bill's eyes here.
If you actually think that crap is the same as 1,320, then I can't debate you because you wouldn't understand.. Go outside today and sprint 1,000' and then 1,320', and you might open your eyes. That last leg is tough, and it should be. Some can stay with you, and some can't. You may run out of energy at 1,000' and the guy who was behind you the whole time proves stronger and passes you when you are stressed the most, and THAT my friend is the component that you haven't considered or even understand.
I won't go in to the utter silliness of actually "watching" 1,000' racing because I know what both look like.
What happens in the last 320', which is longer than a football field, it all about a tune up that can hold together and keep pulling. The tuners and owners LOVE 1,000' racing because it's easier on parts, a simple performance target to prepare for, and because 1,320' racing is much harder to be consistant at. Again, creating more seperation of the funded from the underfunded.. How many times did the underdog prove to be better in the longer runs of the 1,320 days and make it to a final in the 80's and 90's? It happened a LOT, almost every race turned up a true upset somewhere on the grid.. I remember a ton of times where the rich man's tune up would crumble at the end...
It's pretty easy to tune for a short burst. There's a lot less risk, less perssure in tuning for 25% less track, and a much smaller window to have to truly perform.
To equip an engine to actually have to endure 25% more load at peak RPM made the sport what it was.
Many things happen in the last stretch that allows a different result, and all of that is now moot under these new rules.
So, I personally think this crap is a joke, and a major reason why the unknowing public would turn the channel to something more interesting to watch on TV.
Absolutely spot on..... As an old school (but still active) Top Fuel racer told me "1000' is where the race starts to get good". I just can't get into the 3 second, non lock up, 3/4 track races, and have taken Jim Head's advice and found other things to do on NHRA National event race weekends. I still love nitro, but will NEVER watch a 1000', and don't kid yourself if you think the mulitude of empty seats are just a result of the economy.
mike
Nitro Member
Let's try to open Bill's eyes here.
If you actually think that crap is the same as 1,320, then I can't debate you because you wouldn't understand.. Go outside today and sprint 1,000' and then 1,320', and you might open your eyes. That last leg is tough, and it should be. Some can stay with you, and some can't. You may run out of energy at 1,000' and the guy who was behind you the whole time proves stronger and passes you when you are stressed the most, and THAT my friend is the component that you haven't considered or even understand.
I won't go in to the utter silliness of actually "watching" 1,000' racing because I know what both look like.
What happens in the last 320', which is longer than a football field, it all about a tune up that can hold together and keep pulling. The tuners and owners LOVE 1,000' racing because it's easier on parts, a simple performance target to prepare for, and because 1,320' racing is much harder to be consistant at. Again, creating more seperation of the funded from the underfunded.. How many times did the underdog prove to be better in the longer runs of the 1,320 days and make it to a final in the 80's and 90's? It happened a LOT, almost every race turned up a true upset somewhere on the grid.. I remember a ton of times where the rich man's tune up would crumble at the end...
It's pretty easy to tune for a short burst. There's a lot less risk, less perssure in tuning for 25% less track, and a much smaller window to have to truly perform.
To equip an engine to actually have to endure 25% more load at peak RPM made the sport what it was.
Many things happen in the last stretch that allows a different result, and all of that is now moot under these new rules.
So, I personally think this crap is a joke, and a major reason why the unknowing public would turn the channel to something more interesting to watch on TV.
Excellent, EXCELLENT post..another post of the year nominee
danno
Nitro Member
Let's try to open Bill's eyes here.
If you actually think that crap is the same as 1,320, then I can't debate you because you wouldn't understand.. Go outside today and sprint 1,000' and then 1,320', and you might open your eyes. That last leg is tough, and it should be. Some can stay with you, and some can't. You may run out of energy at 1,000' and the guy who was behind you the whole time proves stronger and passes you when you are stressed the most, and THAT my friend is the component that you haven't considered or even understand.
I won't go in to the utter silliness of actually "watching" 1,000' racing because I know what both look like.
What happens in the last 320', which is longer than a football field, it all about a tune up that can hold together and keep pulling. The tuners and owners LOVE 1,000' racing because it's easier on parts, a simple performance target to prepare for, and because 1,320' racing is much harder to be consistant at. Again, creating more seperation of the funded from the underfunded.. How many times did the underdog prove to be better in the longer runs of the 1,320 days and make it to a final in the 80's and 90's? It happened a LOT, almost every race turned up a true upset somewhere on the grid.. I remember a ton of times where the rich man's tune up would crumble at the end...
It's pretty easy to tune for a short burst. There's a lot less risk, less perssure in tuning for 25% less track, and a much smaller window to have to truly perform.
To equip an engine to actually have to endure 25% more load at peak RPM made the sport what it was.
Many things happen in the last stretch that allows a different result, and all of that is now moot under these new rules.
So, I personally think this crap is a joke, and a major reason why the unknowing public would turn the channel to something more interesting to watch on TV.
I have to agree,but who am I? Just a nobody from nowhere.. But I have not been to a national event since the 1000ft rule. Or have my three sons so there's four more empty seats at BIR. By the way my first race was Union Grove 1965
Can I tell the diff in speed ? hell no.. but it's just not the same and I can tell that from TV.
