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you can't tell the difference between 1000' and 1320' - watch this

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But I have not been to a national event since the 1000ft rule. Or have my three sons so there's four more empty seats at BIR.

Neither have I, or any of my family. They lost us. Maybe Bill would be happy if they just raced to the 60' mark.

I have been attending Drag Racing events since I was a kid, and I am 48 years old. That avatar of me with The Greek, wasn't just some staged photo. I was a very priveleged young man.

I went to the last 1/4 mile race that was at Norwalk, and then a short time later I went to the Night Of Fire event that was 1000'. It was not the same, and I didn't like it. Haven't been to a National event since.
 
Ya know who can tell the difference? The damn ladder each Sunday at 5pm. We don't know, but he does. Oh, he knows. I told the ladder I dont like it either. I told him the names would be different. Not all, maybe not 10, or maybe 10 among 3 classes. But the ladder knows.
 
1000' racing is one of the main reasons my interest in the NHRA fuel classes has dropped over the last few years.

From someone who has eat, slept and breathed Drag Racing from the moment I could walk, that's no small change.

But, it's my 2c and it ain't worth sh!t!
 
To equip an engine to actually have to endure 25% more load at peak RPM made the sport what it was. .

I like your post and agree with you totally. But I wanted to point out that Im pretty sure they regulate the gearing and put a cap on the RPM's so that towards the end of the race (that last 320') the engines aren't under a full load. I think if they brought back 1320 at the Winternationals it would still be a race to 1000' then a battle as to who can keep the engine from exploding in the last 320'.

Theres more to it then simply changing to 1320. They have to make changes to keep the engine happy and under a full load the full quarter.

Im not a crew chief, so I could be totally off on this, but it makes sense to me.
 
Merry Christmas!!!....fire the next pair.


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With all due respect, Fire em' up Tony. That guy is waiting.....
Nobody can argue that it's now a 1,000' world in the NHRA, but in a few years when you might be out of a job, don't try to look back and wonder where "they" went wrong when the fans are clearly explaining it right now.
 
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I like your post and agree with you totally. But I wanted to point out that Im pretty sure they regulate the gearing and put a cap on the RPM's so that towards the end of the race (that last 320') the engines aren't under a full load. I think if they brought back 1320 at the Winternationals it would still be a race to 1000' then a battle as to who can keep the engine from exploding in the last 320'.

Theres more to it then simply changing to 1320. They have to make changes to keep the engine happy and under a full load the full quarter.

Im not a crew chief, so I could be totally off on this, but it makes sense to me.

Eventhough the rear end gearing was increased to keep speeds somewhat in check, a fuel engine that is suddenly unloaded is the key here. Two totally different tuning parameters, and not a simple and easier to tune 3 second squirt under full load that the 1000' tuners love..
Nobody was more happy to see the 1,000' rule than AJ. He'll tell you that 1,000' tuning played right in to his sweet spot, and he didn't have to worry about spraying parts because the 1,320 stress was avoided.
 
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With all due respect, Fire em' up Tony. That guy is waiting.....
Nobody can argue that it's now a 1,000' world in the NHRA, but in a few years when you might be out of a job, don't try to look back and wonder where "they" went wrong when the fans are clearly explaining it right now.

The percentage of fans that don't go to the track because of '1000ft' fuel racing are such a small percentage - the crowds haven't dropped that much. Fine, you don't like 1000ft, and yeah I still get to see 1320 fuel racing, but I love both. So whilst you and a few others are sitting around beating a dead horse, ill be at the track smelling that sweet, sweet nitro, and watching drag racing. Yes George you've seen a lot, and sometimes I agree with what you have to say, but if I had a choice between 1000ft or no fuel racing I know which one I'd take.
 
I posted this on another thread but it also fits here. I delete a paragraph because it didn't need to be repeated

At the time I was told the problem started with the tires being unable to handle the speeds. The rev limiter was implemented to slow cars down and keep them from exceeding 3xx mph so the tire problem would go away. The rev limiter created a unhappy motor and resulted in a series of motor explosions. Not being able to remove the rev limiter because of the tire situation NHRA shortened the track for fuel cars to 1000'.

Goodyear has to fix the tire problem or NHRA has to slow the cars down before racing at 1320' can ever come back. Seems like I recall Goodyear saying that they don't know how to make a tire that will allow that to happen. So IF all that is correct it's either 1000' or slower cars and based on recent performance it may be both.
 
The percentage of fans that don't go to the track because of '1000ft' fuel racing are such a small percentage - the crowds haven't dropped that much. Fine, you don't like 1000ft, and yeah I still get to see 1320 fuel racing, but I love both. So whilst you and a few others are sitting around beating a dead horse, ill be at the track smelling that sweet, sweet nitro, and watching drag racing. Yes George you've seen a lot, and sometimes I agree with what you have to say, but if I had a choice between 1000ft or no fuel racing I know which one I'd take.

Michael, I agree with some of what you are saying. But..
The "but" has to do with looking into the future.

I just a regular a small businessman. A "nobody". But I see my job as this: to see that my employees not only do a great job right now for our customers, but my main job is to project where we are going to be in 5-10 years, and to make sure my company is economically viable so that my employees have a secure workplace to grow within, and more importantly, to make sure I'm around with growing competition for that dollar from all angles. That's it and that's all I focus on. I look primarily on attracting new customers, and making sure they have absolutely NO reason to go anywhere else If I can be so fortunate.

I don't have a crystal ball, but I do think I've been lucky enough so far at focusing in on what I need to do in order to stay somewhat viable in my very small corner of the country. So, I am just offering that perspective here. I'm not beating a dead horse, I'm concerned about the future of a sport that I like to be watching in a few years.

The NHRA shouldn't be looking to please you, or the nitro fan in all of us with as you put it, "the sweet smell of nitro". What they need to be focusing in on is building the sport with winning over new customers in order to stay viable for the future. They are failing.
Some of the decisions to go 1,000' make perfect sense. It's safer, the teams love it, less oil interuptions for TV coverage, the tires hold up etc. The problem is that it's incredibly redundant now, and to the casual viewer who might take an interest in watching it may think it's stupid to watch a 3 second race with no real drama unfolding. The 1,000' decision also reeks of a company that wasn't taking the right steps in years past to prepare for the future. Simply said, hindsight is always 20/20, and the NHRA did not do enough of the unpopular little steps to slow things down in the past before we got to this position of having very limited options.

Once you are forced to stray away from the what it was that built this sport, you are in uncharted territory. You risk losing that rare chemistry that came together to build this thing into what it was. You lose your benchmarks, your history, your measuring sticks, everything. Add to that the lose of any drama. I'm simply pointing that out because the fan base is erroding fast. Think there may be a correlation?

Unlike Nascar who dealt with the problem head on years ago, the problems that exist with 330 MPH cars are now very difficult to deal with short term. I would suggest that the NHRA take this year and really look inward. I would suggest that they form a group to look at every possible scenerio to make this sport more watchable and dramatic, while starting the procedure of returning back to 1,340' where a measuring stick is well established and respected. I have many suggestions. All will be very unpopular, but I believe in time would be better for the health of the sport. That's for another day.
JMO..
 
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The percentage of fans that don't go to the track because of '1000ft' fuel racing are such a small percentage - the crowds haven't dropped that much. Fine, you don't like 1000ft, and yeah I still get to see 1320 fuel racing, but I love both. So whilst you and a few others are sitting around beating a dead horse, ill be at the track smelling that sweet, sweet nitro, and watching drag racing. Yes George you've seen a lot, and sometimes I agree with what you have to say, but if I had a choice between 1000ft or no fuel racing I know which one I'd take.

Michael, I know of about 3-4 just on this board! I bet there is more than you think....
 
Pomona's stands used to go to just past 1,200'. You notice NHRA quit selling those seats once they went to 1000'! And now they claim it's over air traffic safety!

Joe right after the world finals this year a plane just missed the stands you are talking about and crashed on to the horse racetrack and killed the pilot. I would be very surprised if they ever let anyone sit there again.

They quit selling those seats a few years before 1,000ft.



The FAA made them stop using those seats years ago, they are inline on the approach of air port runway (see Eugene Gray's post above). I'm surprised that they haven't taken them down, and sold them already.
 
Michael, I agree with some of what you are saying. But..
The "but" has to do with looking into the future.

I just a regular a small businessman. A "nobody". But I see my job as this: to see that my employees not only do a great job right now for our customers, but my main job is to project where we are going to be in 5-10 years, and to make sure my company is economically viable so that my employees have a secure workplace to grow within, and more importantly, to make sure I'm around with growing competition for that dollar from all angles. That's it and that's all I focus on. I look primarily on attracting new customers, and making sure they have absolutely NO reason to go anywhere else If I can be so fortunate.

I don't have a crystal ball, but I do think I've been lucky enough so far at focusing in on what I need to do in order to stay somewhat viable in my very small corner of the country. So, I am just offering that perspective here. I'm not beating a dead horse, I'm concerned about the future of a sport that I like to be watching in a few years.

The NHRA shouldn't be looking to please you, or the nitro fan in all of us with as you put it, "the sweet smell of nitro". What they need to be focusing in on is building the sport with winning over new customers in order to stay viable for the future. They are failing.
Some of the decisions to go 1,000' make perfect sense. It's safer, the teams love it, less oil interuptions for TV coverage, the tires hold up etc. The problem is that it's incredibly redundant now, and to the casual viewer who might take an interest in watching it may think it's stupid to watch a 3 second race with no real drama unfolding. The 1,000' decision also reeks of a company that wasn't taking the right steps in years past to prepare for the future. Simply said, hindsight is always 20/20, and the NHRA did not do enough of the unpopular little steps to slow things down in the past before we got to this position of having very limited options.

Once you are forced to stray away from the what it was that built this sport, you are in uncharted territory. You risk losing that rare chemistry that came together to build this thing into what it was. You lose your benchmarks, your history, your measuring sticks, everything. Add to that the lose of any drama. I'm simply pointing that out because the fan base is erroding fast. Think there may be a correlation?

Unlike Nascar who dealt with the problem head on years ago, the problems that exist with 330 MPH cars are now very difficult to deal with short term. I would suggest that the NHRA take this year and really look inward. I would suggest that they form a group to look at every possible scenerio to make this sport more watchable and dramatic, while starting the procedure of returning back to 1,340' where a measuring stick is well established and respected. I have many suggestions. All will be very unpopular, but I believe in time would be better for the health of the sport. That's for another day.
JMO..

...Again right in the line of my thoughts (and NO I don't consider myself an expert). I tried to give 1000' a chance. I attended Sonoma & Indy (had to go to Indy as the trip was bought & paid for) and hated it!! My preference only. Maybe I'm wrong, but at least 5 others have concurred. This sight has MAYBE 100 regular posters, so my math tells me 6% of NHRA's hardcore customer base is gone. Nothing to do with the economy, just don't like 1000'. Now stack the economy on top of the 6% and you have lost more than 10% (conservative) of your business. Like George, I am a SBO and get very concerned about losing 1 customer, and constantly strive to provide better service. The attitude of "ZZZZZZZZ" and "the experts have spoken" is exactly why things are heading down the current path. That seems to be NHRA's attitude also. My feeling (again not trying to be an expert) is that when you are losing customers you do something about it. The crewchiefs can and HAVE adapted to significant restrictions in the past, yet NHRA continues to do nothing regarding the 1000' issue. Again, maybe I'm way off base, but I have friends (all met at National Events) in No Cal, Denver, Pitt., Montana, Arizona, Indy, So Cal (alot!!), Nevada, TX., and Utah that were multi National Event attendees that DON"T COME ANYMORE!! Do we all still LOVE nitro.. absolutely, but we have all found other outlets (Nostalgia primarily) to satisfy our needs. I love the cars and the people who race the "Big Show", but I want to see races the way they were intended to be. Go ahead fire away, say ZZZZ, "he thinks he is an expert", turn a blind eye just as NHRA does, and we will see what happens. I REALLY HOPE I CAN 1 DAY RETURN AND SEE WHAT I SAW FOR MOST OF MY LIFE... FUEL CARS RIPPING TO THE QUARTER MILE STRIPE!!! Until then I wish everyone the best.
 
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