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[Rexfiles]

Wrong again - plastic breath , I was at sixteen events last season, and tuned over 100 runs...

Jeeeeeeeeezzzzzzz, just when you thought it was safe to return to the 'mater......such violent rhetoric

Besides, I thought that was Virgil's cologne....

Rex

 

[Treeshaker]

Wrong again - plastic breath , I was at sixteen events last season, and tuned over 100 runs...

I have no answer for the quick wit and maturity shown in these posts. I guess when you have a comprehension problem and don't have any responses directed toward the thread topic, it is best to pat yourself on the back, proclaim yourself a hero/expert/god figure and call others childish names.

It was pointed out to me that your response when you were asked why none of your "group" entered the DRO race in Texas was "we need to test before we travel" or something similar. My question would be, if you "attended 16 events last season, and tuned over 100 runs" wouldn't you have enough data to run the cars this year? Especially being the nitro guru you are claiming to be.......

Or, as it was also pointed out to me, does the answer lay more in the fact they are going to measure pumps at the DRO events and others claim "Newman's 25 gallon tune up in a 21 gallon arena" or something to that affect?

Just thought I would ask since you seem to want this thread to be about you.

 

[Nitrohelper]

... call others childish names....

That was a play on words from Johnny Carson ,I thought you could appreciate recognizing your business, but too fast for ya I guess...

I have F/C data all the way back to the 80s for many different combinations and pump sizes...
The owner/drivers that I tune for want to make some runs after not being in a car for six months before spending the money to go 1200 miles...

I have cars running 21 to 32 gallon pumps depending on the type of car & race that they are attending, I have enough experience to adapt...

I replied to this thread to inform the posters that this wasn't Jok's first drag race - you seem to want to make it about me?
I guess jealousy is tough to live with when your not able to be tuning several NF/Cs...

 

[rocketman]

I can see his point. You and I will go to these races because we love drag racing and budget for the race just like we're going to Disneyland. But what about the casual fan? The reason the seats are not full is because the sport is having trouble attracting the casual fan or getting them to come back. Why would anyone come back if they just paid 50 plus dollars per seat to get in and yet they are limited to some selected seats at the top end? And who wants to be herded around? And who wants to pay for over priced food?

Look at it this way I have a family of four and it's difficult just to afford a dinner out at Applebee's. If drag racing is just another choice of several weekend events how can I justify the expense if It's not my life's ambition? And generally speaking drag racing's demographic isn't the top 5 percent earners. Not many family of four can afford to go an NHRA event especially now with less discretionary income.

Speaking of Applebees I was eating at one a few miles away from the track when I was at Pomona. A local walked up to me asking about how the races went. He later told be he would have gone out there but couldn't afford a ticket. That said it all. Make the events family friendly and they will come. Don't do that and you will see the same problem: stands 60 percent filled.

 

[Toejam]

That was a play on words from Johnny Carson ,I thought you could appreciate recognizing your business, but too fast for ya I guess...

I have F/C data all the way back to the 80s for many different combinations and pump sizes...
The owner/drivers that I tune for want to make some runs after not being in a car for six months before spending the money to go 1200 miles...

I have cars running 21 to 32 gallon pumps depending on the type of car & race that they are attending, I have enough experience to adapt...

I replied to this thread to inform the posters that this wasn't Jok's first drag race - you seem to want to make it about me?
I guess jealousy is tough to live with when your not able to be tuning several NF/Cs...

Jerry, you know as well as anybody what ever rule changes are adopted to reduce speeds, it's only a matter of time before these guys find new ways to make Horsepower! As one who tunes Nostalgia FC's, now that they are in the 5.60's the costs have to be going up like crazy from the 6.20 days 10 years ago!

 

[Bob]

I wouldn't pay $42 for 6 beers and ***** about it after the fact.

 

[Nitrohelper]

.... 10 years ago....

Because of the rules that the NF/Cs are using, the costs haven't gone up over the last six years that I've been involved...
The average ETs are still in the 5.90s-5.80s depending on track conditions...
The traveling expenses have increased - but the basic tune-ups for the cars haven't changed...
It's more competitive because there are now over 100 cars and many more guys have figured out their combinations...
Of course it's still liquid dynamite and we can use 100% , so the costs will always be more than other fuels...
Your right on Motorsports always improving technology , that's why even F-1 is constantly changing the rules to keep the speeds in line...

I say make a major change now to bring them back to just over 300 in the 1320 , and then let them work away at improving...

 

[Toejam]

Because of the rules that the NF/Cs are using, the costs haven't gone up over the last six years that I've been involved...
The average ETs are still in the 5.90s-5.80s depending on track conditions...
The traveling expenses have increased - but the basic tune-ups for the cars haven't changed...
It's more competitive because there are now over 100 cars and many more guys have figured out their combinations...
Of course it's still liquid dynamite and we can use 100% , so the costs will always be more than other fuels...
Your right on Motorsports always improving technology , that's why even F-1 is constantly changing the rules to keep the speeds in line...

I say make a major change now to bring them back to just over 300 in the 1320 , and then let them work away at improving...

Well I have talked to a couple of N/FC crew guys who told me that since those cars have been in the 5's the costs have increased. Granted these weren't the car owners so...

 

[Raconteur]

Well I have talked to a couple of N/FC crew guys who told me that since those cars have been in the 5's the costs have increased. Granted these weren't the car owners so...

Any increase in the cost of racing an AA/FC is in direct correlation to the quality of the tune-up and quality of the driver & crew, I know of owners whose racing budgets have remained constant for the past three years for an NFC, except for the cost of diesel fuel.

The first 5-second run was the 2005 California Hot Rod Reunion by Larry Pettit in George Doty's "Crazy Horse" Hot Wheels Mustang.

 

[Toejam]

Any increase in the cost of racing an AA/FC is in direct correlation to the quality of the tune-up and quality of the driver & crew, I know of owners whose racing budgets have remained constant for the past three years for an NFC, except for the cost of diesel fuel.

The first 5-second run was the 2005 California Hot Rod Reunion by Larry Pettit in George Doty's "Crazy Horse" Hot Wheels Mustang.

I remember back in 92-93 When NHRA Allowed Screw blowers in the Alky cars for the first time in 4 years! Overnight those cars were 0.20 quicker, I remember talking to Bob Newberry about the Pro's vs Con's of a Screw Blower.

He said not having the service a Screw was a Major Plus, but he also said anytime your going faster, your gonna spend more money! You can't take a 5.90 car to 5.60's and not see costs go up! I guess he would know!

 

[Raconteur]

I remember back in 92-93 When NHRA Allowed Screw blowers in the Alky cars for the first time in 4 years! Overnight those cars were 0.20 quicker, I remember talking to Bob Newberry about the Pro's vs Con's of a Screw Blower.

He said not having the service a Screw was a Major Plus, but he also said anytime your going faster, your gonna spend more money! You can't take a 5.90 car to 5.60's and not see costs go up! I guess he would know!

You are confused Joe, NO Nitro NFC is currently running a screw blower and if any AA/FC is running under the NHRA Heritage Series Rules supplement a screw blower will never be allowed.

 

[Doolie]

he point is not screw blowers that will never be allowed. It is going quicker always increases costs. Cycling out parts more frequently is just one added expense.

 

[Toejam]

You are confused Joe, NO Nitro NFC is currently running a screw blower and if any AA/FC is running under the NHRA Heritage Series Rules supplement a screw blower will never be allowed.

Gee Darr ya think? I was simply making an analogy, I would love to hear a N/FC owner tell us how he went from 6.0's to 5.70's and it didn't cost more money!

 

[Toejam]

You are confused Joe, NO Nitro NFC is currently running a screw blower and if any AA/FC is running under the NHRA Heritage Series Rules supplement a screw blower will never be allowed.

Did I miss where Bob Newberry ran a N/FC???

 

[Nitrohelper]

....can't take a 5.90 car to 5.60's and not see costs go up...

What costs would you say go up when you run on an tight track verse a slippery one...
I've found that the track conditions can make three tenths without changing the costs...

 

[Nitrohelper]

Here is some interesting reading from Financial Times about the future trend of young people and cars...
If they don't drive or work on cars ,why would they pay to watch racing ?

Young Americans turn away from driving - FT.com

 

[Raconteur]

Did I miss where Bob Newberry ran a N/FC???

Why did you bring up Newberry anyway, when you were ragging on NFC costs?

 

[Rajunz]

Here is some interesting reading from Financial Times about the future trend of young people and cars...
If they don't drive or work on cars ,why would they pay to watch racing ?

Young Americans turn away from driving - FT.com

I was driving to work this morning and was just thinking the same thing. 99% of the cars on the freeway are little Camrys, or Priuses. Not very many people into hot rodding cars like when we grew up. That's why it's important to take kids to the track, or to car shows. Besides, cars are a great hobby for your people to get involved in. It teaches them mechanical skills, math skills, organizational skills, etc.

 

[MM]

I would love to hear a N/FC owner tell us how he went from 6.0's to 5.70's and it didn't cost more money!

We went from a 6.20 car to a 5.90 car and saved money.

 

[Toejam]

We went from a 6.20 car to a 5.90 car and saved money.

An how did you do that??? If you were a 6.20 car that hurting the motor every pass, that's different! I was referring to when 6.20's were competitive numbers what 1999-2000? Who had the first 5 sec. N/FC run?