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Top Fuel/Funny Car- "A" Field comprised of top 8 qualifiers for each class. Classes ran separately.
"B" Field- Top 8 times after "A" class (qualifier 9 and lower) regardless of class (TF/FC) form one 8 car field- TF/FC ran together. No handicap for FC's.

Both "A" fields run for the Wally and top payout.

"B" field no wally but will receive lower payouts.
 
jim irvin, i agree, the low car counts in TAFC and PM at BIR are most likely effected by the great bend, kansas race.
 
Josh Hart will not be in Brainerd either. They didn’t get the shop done yet so they will be back for the US Nationals and plan to be at the rest of the races after that.
 
so pretty sure TF Q 1 thru 4 will get byes into second round.......first round will consist of 4 pairs Q 5 thru 12.
shaking my head
 
I can’t see NHRA jumping back into the Pro Comp deal as there were reasons they finally split it back to two classes. The idea of letting them fill out the field in the nitro classes and run in their “normal class” if they don’t qualify for the nitro classes has logical merit.

An idea that would be good for spectators and the bottom 8 teams in finding a sponsor would be this:
During the Countdown all teams qualify as normal. However, the quickest 8 of the 10 Countdown cars run each other on one side of the ladder and the 8 (or fewer) “non” Countdown cars PLUS the 2 Countdown cars that qualified 9 and 10 of the Countdown cars run the “B” side of the ladder.

  • The quickest 8 Countdown cars only get to run other countdown cars that weekend. (Feel the pressure as nobody gets a first round… or worse yet a second round bye and all 8 cars typically will be within 2 tenths in qualifying. The first round is now serious as the first three cars don’t get ducks that didn’t/couldn’t exceed 200mph.)
  • The 2 Countdown cars on the “B” side of the ladder only get entry points as they didn’t qualify for the “A” side. (Feel that added pressure during qualifying!)
  • The “B” side cars still would get air time on TV to make their sponsors happy and especially if they were up against a Countdown car that didn’t qualify for the quick side.
  • The “B” side non-countdown cars wouldn’t always be up against the quickest and toughest cars on the property 1st round so they would want to really race and win some “B” side round money. (Fans win!)
  • The “B” side cars would have a bigger desire to learn how to win and not just plan to overpower the track at the hit, coast the rest of the way, collect their qualifying money and head home.
  • The Friday/Saturday fans would win as all 3 or 4 rounds of qualifying would be pressure packed and important for the Countdown cars plus put more pressure on the ones outside the Countdown to get a good spot on the “B” side ladder and have the ability to win a round or three on Sunday.
  • Half the “B” side cars would get some wins which would be good for their sponsors as they get at least double the track and air time.
  • Sure Sunday might only have 3 rounds with two winners in each class… or they could have the “A” and “B” side winners come back and race for the Wally and those who want to stay can, those who want to beat feet for the parking lot can go. (Sure would be embarrassing for the Countdown car to be beaten by the “B” side car in a final.)
  • NHRA could give the Wally to the winner of the “A” side plus a “B” side Camping World Trophy. Or the final “A” vs. “B” could be for the Wally and the Runner Up gets the Camping World Trophy.
This would definitely put pressure on all the teams while giving the fans serious racing from every car during qualifying AND first round. No more Bye runs in first round for Countdown Cars, so no free points like Leah got a few weeks ago when she had the #15 qualifier 1st round and a bye the 2nd round.
 
Hmmmmmm Ya know, I thought about only the top 8 cars qualifying for the Countdown. And only 8 cars fields for the countdown races. I dunno how that would go over with the teams. Also thought about if not enough cars to fill the 16 spots, then it goes to an 8 car field. Well, just me thinkin'...... Lots of good ideas in the above posts. What is best for the spectators?
 
Cliff said:
Hmmmmmm Ya know, I thought about only the top 8 cars qualifying for the Countdown. And only 8 cars fields for the countdown races. I dunno how that would go over with the teams. Also thought about if not enough cars to fill the 16 spots, then it goes to an 8 car field. Well, just me thinkin'...... Lots of good ideas in the above posts. What is best for the spectators?IfS are cut there will be less RACERS
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Cliff said:
What is best for the spectators?
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What’s best for the spectator is competitive and "real" racing by every pair that goes down the track.

The idea that the quickest 8 Countdown cars only race each other makes for serious and entertaining racing every pair, every round. The suggestion that the other cars race on the “B” side for their money puts them in a position to actually win a few rounds, become better at their craft and… is seriously entertaining racing for both them AND the spectators.

Currently first round is not entertaining when only 7 vs. 10 and 8 vs. 9 are competitive races with byes 1st and possibly 2nd round for the quickest cars. First round, typically only 2 pair out of 8 pair are competitive races. For the other 6 pair the only question is… will the quicker qualified car overpower the track in their attempt to get lane choice for the 2nd round as there is no question he/she should easily win if both make their qualifying “normal” pass. Boring for the spectators. These uneven/uncompetitive pairings are only interesting for us hardcore fans. New fans don’t get it and don’t care. They want competitive passes from every pair going down the track.

What’s best for the spectator is eventually best for all of drag racing. Best for getting sponsors, best for increasing purses, best for NHRA's bottom line, best for keeping drag strips financially healthy, best for the performance industry and best for keeping the government and tree huggers off drag racings back.
 
mike said:
If fields are cut - there will be less racers -combining is not the answer - money IS
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Boom. Real simple. Every other idea is a bandaid IMO. God forbid we go to 8 car fields and we're just shrinking the sport. The answer is more money, to attract new teams, encourage more to move up, and existing part time and new teams to add to their schedule.
 
Why not do a all run field from TF on down to TAFC. If I ran a low buck AA/FD and 19 cars showed up at
so and so race. I know I'm going to race, sure I still have to qualify for a spot in the in field. But I could get
lucky in the 1ST round and high dollar car could, smoke the tires, red light or puke there junk out all over the
track, or just plain out run them. This might bring new teams to the sport or a sportsman racer to step up
The main thing is the racer is going to race
 
Gone Dead Train said:
Why not do a all run field from TF on down to TAFC. If I ran a low buck AA/FD and 19 cars showed up at
so and so race. I know I'm going to race, sure I still have to qualify for a spot in the in field. But I could get
lucky in the 1ST round and high dollar car could, smoke the tires, red light or puke there junk out all over the
track, or just plain out run them. This might bring new teams to the sport or a sportsman racer to step up
The main thing is the racer is going to race
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This would probably be a quick way for the nitro cars to lose their big bucks sponsors as getting trailered by an unknown alky car would be very hard to explain on Monday to their major sponsors. I wouldn't think Snap On, Amalie, AAA, Matco, Rustoleum, Monster and others would want to see first round losses or not qualifying to an unknown alky or AA/FD car. The only way most of the top 10 nitro cars stay out there is with big sponsor $$$. Big sponsor dollars pay their bills. No... NHRA needs to protect those sponsors as that helps fund their nitro show. (Yes, in the past NHRA has been known to "steal" sponsors from some of the nitro teams. But then... who was looking?)
 
Old21stud said:
This would probably be a quick way for the nitro cars to lose their big bucks sponsors as getting trailered by an unknown alky car would be very hard to explain on Monday to their major sponsors. I wouldn't think Snap On, Amalie, AAA, Matco, Rustoleum, Monster and others would want to see first round losses or not qualifying to an unknown alky or AA/FD car. The only way most of the top 10 nitro cars stay out there is with big sponsor $$$. Big sponsor dollars pay their bills. No... NHRA needs to protect those sponsors as that helps fund their nitro show. (Yes, in the past NHRA has been known to "steal" sponsors from some of the nitro teams. But then... who was looking?)
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No, keep all classes separate, never said putting all classes together that would be stupid. I said run all fields. AA/FD ( read Top Fuel ) Bin
going since 1968 Top Fuel will always be AA/FD and Funny Cars, AA/FC to me.

And what is the long or short term deal with Camping World?
What we really need is another major drag racing sanctioning body to go head to head with the NHRA ( those days are long gone )
Bin hearing about we need more money, more major sponsors for years, will it ever happen? If it does, I think some of us on this
site will be worm food. I was just throwing out an idea, did it make any sense, probably not! But some of the posts on here did not
make sense either. But it is sure fun to throw out ideas
 
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Gone Dead Train said:
No, keep all classes separate, never said putting all classes together that would be stupid. I said run all fields. AA/FD ( read Top Fuel ) Bin
going since 1968 Top Fuel will always be AA/FD and Funny Cars, AA/FC to me.

And what is the long or short term deal with Camping World?
What we really need is another major drag racing sanctioning body to go head to head with the NHRA ( those days are long gone )
Bin hearing about we need more money, more major sponsors for years, will it ever happen? If it does, I think some of us on this
site will be worm food. I was just throwing out an idea, did it make any sense, probably not! But some of the posts on here did not
make sense either. But it is sure fun to throw out ideas
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I thought you were saying that to, reread your post after your response and see your true point, I don’t think it’s that far out there, when I was learning to custom paint it was called food for thought and had good ideas come out of it
 
funny deal there are 35 TF'rs and 30 FC's that have scored points this year. 65 individual cars, yet this weekend the draw is 27. i don't think franchising nhra teams is the answer.
IMO independent teams (businesses) the way they are is good; but i wonder if nhra and pro could devise a plan annually over the off season, where teams that don't make the entire tour
have to commit to a certain amount of races in order to maintain full fields; and in turn they are rewarded with enough money for their efforts. again, all about the money...... and what is
that number these days? is it $10k? $15k? $20k?
 
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