NHRA doing it again...poor sponsors!

[Huge]

I wonder if this new fee will include security for each banner to make sure it stays on the fence.

 

[Bobby Bennett]

http://www.competitionplus.com/drag-racing/news/19579-nhra-evokes-new-bannering-fee

 

[Draw 3D]

I was going to post this earlier but I forgot, damn CRS, anyways, nice to see JRod posting again, welcome back.

 

[mw6789]

You know this is really no different than the attitude many large companies have these days. The economy SUCKS and profits are down, so lets gouge our customers a little harder. Bank of America decides to add a fee to use your debit card to their already ridiculous list of fees, although a customer uprising seems to have stopped this for the moment. Got an email the other day that UPS has a class action law suit against them for gouging customers on their bills (I have fought them regularly on our weekly bill). And dont even get me started about the way "feeBay" sticks it up the sellers rears these days. When my income drops, I have to make adjustments. Why the hell does NHRA not understand this. It would serve them right if ALL their contingency sponsors left them high and dry. Only problem is that it would ultimately be one more big kick in the teeth for the guys supporting NHRA the most---the racers.

 

[mw6789]

I wonder if this new fee will include security for each banner to make sure it stays on the fence.

That would require an insurance surcharge.

 

[mick]

who was really getting the deal?
$7500 annual to be a contingency sponsor + tie (unlimited?) banners
on fencing at every nat. event? ....what else did that $7500 buy?
how many impressions per day? what is average nhra attendance on
friday? saturday? sunday? - that's $108/day for the banners to hang;
a steal if you ask me. ($81/day for 4-day event)

nhra asking contingency sponsors to move from
$326.00 per event to $608.00 per event (an 86% increase).
if contingency sponsors were truly 'getting a deal', then yes, their fees
should increase, but not by 86% - who wants anything to increase in price
by 86%, yikes!....7-10% annual increases gradually please.
sounds like this program may have been locked at one price since
the vikings nationals

or look at it this way - ask an nhra fan who attends multiple days
of a nat. event if he/she has ever spent $600 at one event - many would
answer yes

and while we're discussing this.... 'bannering program' ???
how about 'banner program'.

 

[Rat]

You know this is really no different than the attitude many large companies have these days. The economy SUCKS and profits are down, so lets gouge our customers a little harder. Bank of America decides to add a fee to use your debit card to their already ridiculous list of fees, although a customer uprising seems to have stopped this for the moment. Got an email the other day that UPS has a class action law suit against them for gouging customers on their bills (I have fought them regularly on our weekly bill). And dont even get me started about the way "feeBay" sticks it up the sellers rears these days. When my income drops, I have to make adjustments. Why the hell does NHRA not understand this. It would serve them right if ALL their contingency sponsors left them high and dry. Only problem is that it would ultimately be one more big kick in the teeth for the guys supporting NHRA the most---the racers.

Thank you, I used to make alot of money on ebay, now I been questioning it as I still sell and make extra money but the Extra is really being cut into. What ebay charges to list OK FINE. Paypal are freaking crooks. With all the money they make every second, they do not need to really eat away the profits as much as they do. I paid at least 500.00 to paypal this year in there so called fees. Crooks! And the ebay gives the seller zero protection, it's bullshi... someone could lie and get the money back and the seller gets no security because ebay only protects buyers.

As far as NHRA they are really giving the bird to the contingency sponsors and then asking for them to come back. I bet there going to lose many, and I bet you NHRA will have the ignorance to ask them why. Cut back the salaries. Dallas lol, 330,000. You could fund a return of the FC showdown at indy and still let him keep 90,000. The shootouts need to return. It's only 240,000 NHRA could 1000% trim the fat without suffering. No one is gonna agree to a pay cut tho. If you ask me, Not a soul working for the NHRA deserves more than 200,000 a year and that's being nice. Let Dan Olson earn the most, he's the guy that has to be the tech master.

 

[mick]

finally a real winner in the world of contradiction - in one post no less

example A) ebay are crooks - they take patrick's money - he is left
with less each year - questions his selling, profits being cut into.
underlying message:
DON'T TAKE ANY OF MY MONEY, YOU HAVE TOO MUCH ALREADY

thank you, i used to make alot of money on ebay, now i been questioning it as i still sell and make extra money but the extra is really being cut into. What ebay charges to list ok fine. Paypal are freaking crooks. With all the money they make every second, they do not need to really eat away the profits as much as they do. I paid at least 500.00 to paypal this year in there so called fees. Crooks! And the ebay gives the seller zero protection, it's bullshi... Someone could lie and get the money back and the seller gets no security because ebay only protects buyers.

example B) NHRA board make unjustifiable salaries - the unjustified
money should be better spent propping up the nat. event series.
underlying message:
TAKE THEIR MONEY, THEY HAVE WAY TOO MUCH ALREADY

as far as nhra they are really giving the bird to the contingency sponsors and then asking for them to come back. I bet there going to lose many, and i bet you nhra will have the ignorance to ask them why. Cut back the salaries. Dallas lol, 330,000. You could fund a return of the fc showdown at indy and still let him keep 90,000. The shootouts need to return. It's only 240,000 nhra could 1000% trim the fat without suffering. No one is gonna agree to a pay cut tho. If you ask me, not a soul working for the nhra deserves more than 200,000 a year and that's being nice. Let dan olson earn the most, he's the guy that has to be the tech master.

 

[Rajunz]

Stop it Mike, you're killing me over here, LOL.

 

[MHayes]

Great stuff there Mike, just hilarious! Not the first example of a walking contradiction, and it definitely will not be the last Carry on!

 

[Draw 3D]

Here's another one:

I have no personal hatred for anyone.

Then:

NO, Kyle Busch needs to stay AWAY from the nhra, I hate his guts and what he did friday night was inexcusable.

So wtf?

 

[Rat]

Here's another one:

Then:

So wtf?

I even corrected the statement later, who hasn't ever over exaggerated that line?

 

[Jon Asher]

If you're searching for some humor, read Bobby Bennett's story on the fiasco that is this bannering program from NHRA. Carefully read the statements made by NHRA people, and you'll no longer wonder why things are so messed up. I may have told some whoppers in my day, but they don't compare to the stuff being said by NHRA.

Jon Asher

 

[Rat]

finally a real winner in the world of contradiction - in one post no less

example A) ebay are crooks - they take patrick's money - he is left
with less each year - questions his selling, profits being cut into.
underlying message:
DON'T TAKE ANY OF MY MONEY, YOU HAVE TOO MUCH ALREADY


example B) NHRA board make unjustifiable salaries - the unjustified
money should be better spent propping up the nat. event series.
underlying message:
TAKE THEIR MONEY, THEY HAVE WAY TOO MUCH ALREADY

Ok Mike now you wanna join the club? You made what you think is a good point based on YOUR SUMMARY of what I said, so let me actually let Lance, Michael, and anyone else see how wrong you are.

A: Yes I work part-time, I pay rent, I make nothing to cover my expensives after I pay my rent. I have expensives more than rent, I flip things on ebay, I sell things I can get rid of. I'm clearing less than 800 a month for your nosey information, I say nosey because you put me here. I am not gonna be mocked for your inaccurate poke. Do I make if I am lucky anything over 7500-8000 a year? NO.

B: When they make numbers of 330,000, 1/2 a mil, who knows what who else makes, can they afford to take a pay cut? YES, they are not living paycheck to paycheck. They make more than they need when there is evidence that the business they work for and racers they representing are hurting. They don't cut salaries, they like to try and pass the deficit onto sponsors, racers, and fans.

I AM living month to month, I am not nearly living with any extra cash. Before you INVENT a reason to MOCK ME, Read between the lines, have some common sense and understand I don't make 330,000 or 500,000. When the economy is bad and NHRA Brass take it all the way to the bank is greedy. Your argument with me is childish, comparing someone who does not even make enough money to pay taxes, to people who make 330,000 and up!

 

[mick]

it's all relative patrick - i am not mocking you or anybody and i am not
being 'nosey'..... to coin an old phrase 'what is good for the goose is good for the gander'.

i'm sure you deserve a greater % of your profits from ebay, as do the
nhra board deserve to keep their salaries.

 

[my friends call me Zappy]

Another great way to nickel and dime contingency sponsors for the NHRA...what do you think about this latest move? Monday morning should be interesting in Glendora don't you think?

Just another way they have found - to shoot themselves in the foot.

 

[N/A]

i say they hang them on all of the adjacent fence lines leading up to the track property and watch graham light blow a gasket.

lol

 

[clwill]

It's really difficult to take the NHRA seriously when things like this happen. There are several points in the CompPlus story that just seem to not pass the smell test.

“There was no strong push back on it,” said Darcy.

Really? Maybe because they thought you couldn't possibly be serious. But no push back? On a nearly doubling of their fee for something that used to be free? I don't buy it.

“Some of our sponsors who have a significant investment in the sport sometimes feel that a company can come in on a lesser degree of investment with a contingency program and have those bannering rights and for those sponsors, it’s a big tilt on the value equation,” Darcy explained.

So this is like the DSR shroud thing? One person complains and -- poof -- you react? And bannering is a "big tilt" in the "value equation"? Really? This makes that big of a deal?

According to a source close to the NHRA, leftover bannering has become a topic of conversation between the sanctioning body and the tracks. Some facilities have even threatened the sanctioning body with a fee for banner removal.

And this is where my BS meter gets completely pegged. I'm sorry, but I've seen people who come to national events with wire cutters solely for the purpose of stripping as many banners as they can find. By the semis on Sunday most events are practically bare.

And even if it was a problem, just make it a rule that they have to take down what they put up. And it's not clear how this is related to charging them $6500. Will this pay for people to take them down? I'm betting no...

This is just silly, and remarkably tone deaf. You know, I've not been that big of a fan of the "we have to take Glendora away from the suits" brigade, but things like this inch me closer.

 

[Rat]

it's all relative patrick - i am not mocking you or anybody and i am not
being 'nosey'..... to coin an old phrase 'what is good for the goose is good for the gander'.

i'm sure you deserve a greater % of your profits from ebay, as do the
nhra board deserve to keep their salaries.

I meet the definition of underpaid, It will change. economy will come back, hopefully will find a job, I will then be at a Living Wage.

NHRA Brass meet the definition of overpaid...It's a tough economy everything keeps going up...Racers, fans, are being passed on the increases, sponsors are now as well. This is a horrible economy for our sport and they just keep asking all sides for more when they won't even take a hit themselves. I say overpaid cause it's hard to say if they actually do enough work to be able to take home the pay that they do. We accept Tom Compton's reported 500,000 why? Because he's the president? is that the answer? Since being president he has not been attributed to doing many pro active things, changing the face of the NHRA in the pursuit of a better sport or mainstream coverage. I don't dislike Tom Compton, I dislike how he has taken the steering wheel of the nhra. I feel there is more he could of done for the sport, an example, We get the sport on espn and call it a day where I am not saying I know, I was not there, but I feel a better package could of been fought for, I feel the NHRA fights for the bare minimum when it comes to an accomplishment when they should be fighting harder.

 

[Tony]

From Comp Plus:
Darcy confirmed the move was brought about to bring more of a value to the larger sponsorship programs. In the past, the contingency sponsors were gaining as much if not more of a value than the official and major sponsors through the bannering program.

“Some of our sponsors who have a significant investment in the sport sometimes feel that a company can come in on a lesser degree of investment with a contingency program and have those bannering rights and for those sponsors, it’s a big tilt on the value equation,” Darcy explained.

At the recently completed Big O Tires NHRA Nationals in Las Vegas, reportedly only eight contingency sponsors took advantage of the bannering program, roughly 1-percent of the contingency participants. This has been one of the larger supported events.


I have a small business, my customers can choose the level of work or services that I will provide for them, usually based upon their needs and budget. If a customer chooses to pay me more money, the customer will receive more services from me. A customer that chooses not to pay me as much money as a bigger customer pays me will not receive the same amount of work or services from me, but I will give every customer the best value that I can.

The NHRA is protecting the investments of the larger Official Sponsors. I can agree with the NHRA doing this, it is good business.

Looks to me like the banner program wasn't very popular anyway, if only 8 out of 100 contingency sponsors chose to hang banners in Vegas.

Having said the above, I don't agree with the NHRA's decision on this issue, if you can believe that. Hades has frozen over.
In my opinion, if the NHRA and their Official Sponsors perceive that the contingency sponsors are receiving almost the same track-side exposure as the Official Sponsors, the NHRA should INCREASE the amount of exposure the Official Sponsors receive. Give them more bang for their bucks. Leave the contingency sponsorship program alone, but give the Official Sponsors some value-added exposure opportunities at the track.
The contingency sponsors are the life-blood of the NHRA sportsmen racers, and the sportsmen racers are the life-blood of the NHRA. If the banner program isn't popular with the contingency sponsors, the NHRA should find out why, and develop a different track-side marketing program that would better benefit both the contingency sponsors and the sportsmen racers.