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Muscle cars vs pony cars?
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z28
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thanks
When I was a kid I had a '70 W31 post car. I was told told 113 were built? Wish I never sold it...
ironpony
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Not of the same caliber but I had a friend who inherited his Grandmas 1970 Nova in late 70's. I do not remember exactly how it was optioned but what I do is
1970 Nova HiPo 350, 4 speed, bench seat, 4 door, hunter green, he beat a lot of cars back in the day. I ran into him at my Dads burial 2017, he is a grave digger, he still has the car all original.
1970 Nova HiPo 350, 4 speed, bench seat, 4 door, hunter green, he beat a lot of cars back in the day. I ran into him at my Dads burial 2017, he is a grave digger, he still has the car all original.
stitcherbob
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I have seen this car driving nearby where I live, but haven't met up with him yet. It's giving me project ideas for my 72 Polara.....
Alan
That's two of us. What's not to like, unless you are a lover of a certain brand of car only.
Larry Sutton---
Yes I have seen that car before. Very nicely done.
65 Goatboy
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65 Goatboy
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I bought the car in 1988 it was literally in a barn. I knew the guy who owned it, he bought it from a college student who had straight water in it and the block froze and cracked. He put a 1971 Olds 350 with a Quadrajet in it and had it in pretty good mechanical shape. The interior was in the trunk, still had bias ply tires and the top was bad. About 5 yrs. later I bought a 65 442 400 engine out of a hardtop along with the 2-spd auto trans and the original 442 air cleaner that fit the Rochester 4 jet which of course was missing from the engine. Flash forward to today the 71 350 is still in the car with the original 2-spd auto but it does have a new interior, convertible top, paint and radial tires among lots of other things. Maybe someday it will be a semi original numbers not matching car....
There's absolutely nothing wrong with preserving such a car matching numbers or not. The only way you can have a matching number car before 1968 is to have the protecto-plate or other documents with the engine ID number on them. Olds didn't put the car vin # on the engine till 1968. Finish it and enjoy it.
Was your car a Sports Coupe or a F-85?
stitcherbob
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I purchased this on eBay a while back...the Medical Director's car from the 1972 Indy 500
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M Jones
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The same body style as the 4 engine wagon master, cool find, I didn’t know about NASCAR version, thanks for sharing
I want to say sports coupe but I honestly can't remember, been a long time...
none
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I freely admit that the original collector car deal is not my area of expertise, but I find the whole "Matching Numbers" thing to be interesting. A few years ago a guy called me who had a complete just freshened set of K-Code cylinder heads for sale. Date code C8 (1968). The K-code engine stopped production in mid 1967. I called around and was told that they produced the parts into 1968 for warrantee replacement and that they would be considered "Numbers Matching" if installed on my '67 GT. I don't know if that's completely true or not.
I was in Carroll Shelby's office a while back when a GT-500-KR was delivered on a transport truck with a blown engine for repair. The customer had sent a document obviously written by a lawyer saying something to the effect of the car was is original condition and needed to be worked on only by "Shelby Certified Technicians using OEM parts" to keep it's pedigree. And the the technician would need to send a copy of his credentials and sign off on the repairs when the car was shipped back.
Carroll looked over the paperwork and told his guy: "Just fix the God damn car and I'll sign this, if that's not good enough he can sue me."
So I guess that one is a numbers matching original. At least sort of......
Alan
I was in Carroll Shelby's office a while back when a GT-500-KR was delivered on a transport truck with a blown engine for repair. The customer had sent a document obviously written by a lawyer saying something to the effect of the car was is original condition and needed to be worked on only by "Shelby Certified Technicians using OEM parts" to keep it's pedigree. And the the technician would need to send a copy of his credentials and sign off on the repairs when the car was shipped back.
Carroll looked over the paperwork and told his guy: "Just fix the God damn car and I'll sign this, if that's not good enough he can sue me."
So I guess that one is a numbers matching original. At least sort of......
Alan
To me a numbers matching car is a PRO/CON vehicle. How can you have fun with it pushing it and banging gears, with the thought at any second something inside the engine may want OUT.
Or do you just park it and look at it. Definitely not my reason for owning a 60's car.
The only way around this situation, is pull the important parts out and store it in the corner.
Or do you just park it and look at it. Definitely not my reason for owning a 60's car.
The only way around this situation, is pull the important parts out and store it in the corner.
In the muscle car collector world having the matching # engine & transmission is where the value is. You can bet if a guy or collector is looking @ a particular car to buy they have done their homework. The car needs ALL of it original parts for it to be worth the $$$$$. I've been in the Oldsmobile world for 50 years and I have seen a lot of cars during that time and the documented correct cars are the most desirable.
none
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I understand what you are saying, and just for sake of the discussion. If I have a 67 427 Corvette that the engine blew after six months and was replaced under factory warranty. Is it still an original numbers matching car?
Alan
M Jones
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That’s a very interesting question Alan, maybe if the block and heads could be used in the rebuild, total replacement I would think it would not be considered numbers matching, just my assumption not a expert on this
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