Military Sponsorships on Chopping Block?

[jackass]

yes, it would be interesting to know the real motives.
do you know?

could be anything... politics makes for better plot twists than a soap opera.. couild be realy complicated or as simple as on her web page were she lists to fight and get back funding for puclic tv from the Republicans... and we all know NASCARs fan base is a very strong republican based group of voters...


i found her web page pretty easy ..plus there is a link to it on the JAYSKI page...

 

[yoda]

...As far as a waste of money ... they should get way down the list of wastes of taxpayer's dollars before they get to the 3 million or so they are spending sponsoring DSR per annum.

Oh yeah- like the $335M US taxpayer dollars that went twords Mubarak's personal helecopters...

 

[Marchboom]

As with most large companies who sponsor anything, I'm sure the Army has determined that it's sponsorship of DSR is money well spent and that it is one of it's better recruitment tools.

They would not have stayed with them if this wasn't true.

 

[.]

As with most large companies who sponsor anything, I'm sure the Army has determined that it's sponsorship of DSR is money well spent and that it is one of it's better recruitment tools.

They would not have stayed with them if this wasn't true.

Its not a large company. It is my money, your money, and government money. Do not confuse the two.

 

[.]

The only argument that should matter to Dems or GOPs is "whether or not the advertisng expense is justified based on measureable results".
Presumably, recruiter can point to metrics that support continued use of this (racing) ad venue. (Frankly, I can't think of a better targeted device.)

When the adverstising folks make their case it will be obvious that this is a political attempt to trap any NASCAR dad (who defends the expenditure) into looking like a hypocrite. Kinda' clever but not very transparent.

Time to publicize the value of our sport as an ad medium, eh?.

yeah, lets recruit, to a war we are losing, that has been going on for 10 years, to fight for what?

But, we need to wrap race cars, so who cares. Eff the budget as long as Schu can race!

 

[jackass]

here is her web site if you want to read what she is all about....


Betty McCollum

 

[D]

The military isn't just recruiting for the wars in Afgahnistan and Iraq but overall defense posture sustainment, people don't just show up trained out of thin air when a crisis occurs. Recruitment, training and retention of our military forces has to occur on a day to day basis.

 

[.]

The military isn't just recruiting for the wars in Afgahnistan and Iraq but overall defense posture sustainment, people don't just show up trained out of thin air when a crisis occurs. Recruitment, training and retention of our military forces has to occur on a day to day basis.

So what does financing a millionaires race operation with tax money have to do with that?

If Schu wants to race, let him go find sponsorship. Dont use my tax money for it.

Maybe he should call on Trick Tank before he tries his own bank. Oh,,,,, wait.........

 

[D]

Its a recruiting tool in that its a way to give visibilty to a populace that has and less contact with its military, it allows recruiters to have access to their key recruiting demographic and its good for troop morale. If you want to cut wasteful military spending projects, look at F-22s, F-35s or AAAVs.

 

[Dragracer]

I think that Shoe does a great job of supporting the Army. I don't think that anyone would argue that but it's OUR TAX dollars supporting his car which helps to increase the national debt.
Go down to your local military recruiter and ask if they are having any problem getting recruits. The answer is 'NO', they are turning people away. My brother is a Army recruiter and says that the Army is making their monthly recruitment goals within the 2nd or 3rd week of each month. They are extremely pickey and turn people away on a daily basis, you can't get in without a high school education, if you happen to have a GED or any kind of misdemeanor on your record you are SOL.
With no problem getting recruits why are we spending the money to sponsor race cars? It's a waste of our tax money - as are a lot of other things.
DUMP THE SPONSORSHIPS....

 

[Gary H]

With no problem getting recruits why are we spending the money to sponsor race cars? It's a waste of our tax money - as are a lot of other things.
DUMP THE SPONSORSHIPS....

Dont you think that part of the reason they're getting recruits is because of advertising? Should they do away with air shows and fly by's at sporting events? It's all advertising after all.

 

[Jim]

yeah, lets recruit, to a war we are losing, that has been going on for 10 years, to fight for what?

But, we need to wrap race cars, so who cares. Eff the budget as long as Schu can race!

I guess you're right Greg.

Let's save money: let's just disband the military altogether.

(I don't know why I didn't think of that sooner.)

 

[Jim]

Follow the logic of this paragraph.....

Pretty obvious, this is about putting the GOP / Tea-Party in a box if they defend things their members might care about (REGARDLESS, if there is a measurable benefit to the Army's recruiting efforts).

I'm especially confused by the 3rd sentence..?...!....!
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""Taxpayer-funded NASCAR race cars are an absurdity at a time when the Republican-Tea Party is cutting federal support for homeless veterans, law enforcement officers, and firefighters. I know NASCAR fans are passionate and patriotic. This amendment gets the government out of NASCAR and gives them the opportunity to encourage the private sector to demonstrate its patriotism by donating a military sponsorship," Congresswoman McCollum said. "My Republican-Tea Party colleagues can support my amendment and stop wasting tax payer dollars or they can vote to keep wasting the American peoples' money."

 

[mick]

again, and my supposition is that race fans and military recruits are a very
close demographic; what other means of advertising could the military provide
to reach so many young mature adults at the same or less price point?
my best guess is that for the rite price race team sponsorships is money well
spent as a recruiting tool.

if congress people are concerned about trimming military expense,
why not fight a little harder to bring some of our troops home

what if nascar were to unionize?(as the unions attempted to do in 90's i think?)
what would the (D) politicians say then?

 

[Rajunz]

Reading this is a good sign, however it sure makes it read more and more like a vindeta against the "NASCAR dads"...............why is she targeting one and not the other???

"Harper said the Army spent $7 million on NASCAR endorsements, down from $11.6 million in 2009, and another $5 million on drag racing, which would not be affected by the amendment."

 

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I guess you're right Greg.

Let's save money: let's just disband the military altogether.

(I don't know why I didn't think of that sooner.)

Yeah, because thats what I proposed.

 

[twostep]

Let's save money: let's just disband the military altogether.

Ahhhh....they're lovin' it in Berkeley

The motive behind Representative McCollum's proposed amendment is plain and clear to any first grader in North America. This woman currently has the most liberal voting record in the United States Congress. Right or wrong - you make the call - this group of people spend untold amounts of time and effort to defund and discredit almost EVERYTHING having to do with the military. If you doubt that statement, book a flight to Berkeley, Ca. and ask around.

She also is a sitting member of the House Subcommittee on Military Appropriations, where she merrily chops away at nearly everything having to do with the defense budget, like the F35 engine deal. If she maddens NASCAR racers and fans, who cares. As a group, they vote conservative and NASCAR is effectively nonexistent in Minnesota anyway. Plus her liberal pals will cheer the fact that she saved each person in the country 3 cents, every year, no less.

If auto racing wasn't such an effective recruiting tool for the military, despite being a comparatively miniscule amount of money, I'd say drop the sponsorships, despite my being an avid supporter of both NASCAR and NHRA. Right is right, after all, and every little bit adds up. But there are two glaring problems.

One, military racing sponsorships ARE effective recruiting tools and the US needs an effective military. My apologies to those among us who feel otherwise; we can't talk our way out of everything. And two, this is a provable 100% cut and dried political move. Representative McCollum has no qualms whatsoever about using the money saved from abandoning racing sponsorships to enhance government entitlement programs, and has publically stated exactly that. In other words, it's not about saving money at all. It's about redistributing it to hand-picked pet causes.

I hate politicians.

 

[Marchboom]

The last thing I want my tax money to fund is NPR or PBS. These are left wing companies and don't always have our nation's best interests in mind. NPR is flat out radical.

With the money given to the racing teams, a majority of it is used to stimulate the economy and employ people (who pay taxes through purchases and payroll deductions). So the amount given to the race teams is not really an accurate figure as much of it is returned to the gov't to be wasted by our political hacks.

Time to call your politicians (no matter what state you live in) to voice your opinion regarding this issue.

 

[nitrogirl]

As a military spouse (Air Force, not Army), I look at the sponsorship as not only advertising for recruits, but as a morale booster for troops. When you go to races, you not only see the young recruits, but also troops getting to meet the racers. They also travel to bases to meet the troops, and go to hospitals to meet the troops. Just my $.02.

 

[mick]

As a military spouse (Air Force, not Army), I look at the sponsorship as not only advertising for recruits, but as a morale booster for troops. When you go to races, you not only see the young recruits, but also troops getting to meet the racers. They also travel to bases to meet the troops, and go to hospitals to meet the troops. Just my $.02.

i have heard, although can't prove it, that these motorsports sponsorships
are also used to strengthen the commitment of new recruits that haven't
100% committed to basic training - moral booster toward the service they
have selected - the new recruits are guests at the races.
anyone have any validity or denial to this?