John Force lost his brakes while staging, will he be DQ'ed like Holden Laris? (3 Viewers)

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John Force just admitted on TV that he lost his brakes while he was staging and couldn't stop the car from rolling which resulted in his .394 light, yet he made his pass anyway. Earlier in the year NHRA disqualified Super Comp racer Holden Laris when his brakes went soft before the burnout, but pumped the pedal and brakes were fine when he staged but he ended up in the sand when the pedal went to the floor at the finish line. Who thinks the punishment will be the same?

http://www.competitionplus.com/drag...it-or-not-to-split-sooner-or-later-reality-is

 

[stitcherbob]

as I understand it, one happened at the moment of the race, the other was known before they came to the starting line....

 

[Nitro Cane]

Nothing to see here

 

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as I understand it, one happened at the moment of the race, the other was known before they came to the starting line....

Laris thought the situation was solved because the brake pressure came up to normal, John knew he hadn't fixed anything. NHRA DQ'd Holden for "knowingly racing an unsafe car" (Dim Light's words) even though the brake pressure was fine when he left the line. John knew his brakes weren't working right yet he made his pass anyway in a MUCH faster car. John is as at least as guilty, if not more so, of "knowingly racing an unsafe car" than Holden Laris

 

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Nothing to see here

There's plenty to see here. We all know the NHRA is inconsistent in their rulings, especially when it comes to sportsman racers and pro racers. John did the same thing as Holden Laris.

 

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Read Holden Laris' post about what happened to him when he was DQ'd.

https://www.facebook.com/holden.laris/posts/1201780066507916

 

[stitcherbob]

no problem with John's car now

Results for Final Round
CONCORD, N.C. - FastNews Network - Results of final, round 4 eliminations in Funny Car at the NHRA Mello Yello Drag Racing Series, ninth annual NHRA Carolina Nationals:
W/L Driver R-Time E-Time Speed

(W) John Force (Peak Camaro) 0.059 3.946 324.05
(L) Tommy Johnson Jr. (Make A Wish Charger) 0.032 3.987 315.71

5:10 p.m. Weather conditions: air temperature 89 degrees, relative humidity 49 percent, barometer 29.28 inches, adjusted altitude 3,562 feet, track temperature 115 degrees.

Johnson has been in 2 final rounds this year, winning 1 of those. His career final round record is 13-22. Force has been in 3 final rounds this year, winning 2 of those. His career final round record is 145-99. Force is 30 - 11 against Johnson Jr. in prior events and Force is 7 - 1 against Johnson Jr. in prior final rounds.

This was a great drag race! Tommy Johnson Jr. had the advantage on the hit and he was ahead of John Force at the 660-foot mark, but Force was able to drive around him to add another Funny Car Wally to his large collection. John Force's incremental margins (negative if behind): 60ft(-0.010), 330 ft(-0.006), 660ft(-0.003). MOV: 0.0144 seconds (approximately 7 feet).

Tommy Johnson Jr.'s incremental times: 60ft-0.908 sec., 330ft-2.293, 660ft-3.221/275.39 mph.
John Force's incremental times: 60ft-0.891 sec., 330ft-2.272, 660ft-3.197/279.32 mph.

 

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And John admitted a second time on TV that he knew his brakes were shot yet he the pass anyway, in a car going 140 MPH faster than Holden Laris was going.

no problem with John's car now

But there was in E2, and he made the pass anyway. He even admitted it twice on TV. The determination for "racing an unsafe car" shouldn't be whether or not you stay out of the sand by luck.

 

[stitcherbob]

They didn't have to pull John out of the sand trap on his previous run like they did with Holden....being in the sand trap and then not fixing the problem before your next run (bye or not) is a big problem and the NHRA acted correctly in that situation. All you need to do is take the light in a bye and move on.....

I hate car problems that seem to "fix themselves"....in 30 years of restoring cars I have always gone back over everything with a "fine tooth comb" if it mysteriously fixes itself.... especially if it has to do with safety.

and no matter what an excited Force says to an interviewer, you lose your brakes you roll the beams and redlight....he was late because he probably got distracted by something that didn't feel right....but he didn't redlight

 

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They didn't have to pull John out of the sand trap on his previous run like they did with Holden....being in the sand trap and then not fixing the problem before your next run (bye or not) is a big problem and the NHRA acted correctly in that situation. All you need to do is take the light in a bye and move on.....

I hate car problems that seem to "fix themselves"....in 30 years of restoring cars I have always gone back over everything with a "fine tooth comb" if it mysteriously fixes itself.... especially if it has to do with safety.

The issue wasn't whether or not the car went into the sand, the issue, according to Dim Light, was "knowingly racing an unsafe car" which is EXACTLY what Force did in a FC traveling 140 mph faster! Laris didn't make a pass with soft brakes and then come back and make another pass without fixing anything, it all happened on the same pass.

 

[Huge]

It's not that uncommon for carbon fiber brakes to let the car tug and roll a little when they are not hot. But, they will come on strong when they are applied at the end of a run when they build some heat. Nothing unusual here. Some of the lower budget teams sand the pads and the rotors between rounds if this happens. Nice try though.

 

[stitcherbob]

this is the excerpt I read from a facebook post about the incident:

"Holden Laris had a bye run in the semi final of super comp. Holden lost his brakes during the run and ran into the sand trap. Several of us were able to fix the brakes, clean the car from front to back and make it ready to run the final. However upon talking with the crew chief and driver they said something about having a soft pedal in the staging lanes , but it went away seemingly, and he was able to stage the car with brakes and all seemed ok until the finish line. That is when a fitting popped out of the master cylinder. And all the fluid leaked out."

That's two trips down the 1/4 with brake problems.

Might as well rip Eddie Krawiec's Wally from him for going into the gravel twice and admitting brake problems too

 

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this is the excerpt I read from a facebook post about the incident:

"Holden Laris had a bye run in the semi final of super comp. Holden lost his brakes during the run and ran into the sand trap. Several of us were able to fix the brakes, clean the car from front to back and make it ready to run the final. However upon talking with the crew chief and driver they said something about having a soft pedal in the staging lanes , but it went away seemingly, and he was able to stage the car with brakes and all seemed ok until the finish line. That is when a fitting popped out of the master cylinder. And all the fluid leaked out."

That's two trips down the 1/4 with brake problems.

Might as well rip Eddie Krawiec's Wally from him for going into the gravel twice and admitting brake problems too

No, that's one pass! The brakes failed & he went into the sand on semi-final pass. They cleaned the car and were ready to run final but weren't allowed to because he was DQ'd.

From the CompPlus article I linked in the first post:

Super Comp racer Holden Laris, during a semifinal bye run at the NHRA Route 66 Nationals, lost his brakes and ended up in the sand. He was uninjured, and the car, though dusty and filled with sand, was repaired and returned to the staging lanes for the final.

The car apparently had a soft pedal prior to the burnout, and Laris pumped the brakes a few times and the pressure returned. Laris then staged the car with the brakes but a master cylinder failure at the finish line sent the car off the top end.

Reports of the soft pedal apparently made their way to the control tower, where Laris was disqualified from the event for knowingly racing an unsafe car.

If NHRA was actually consistent then Eddie should have been disqualified!

 

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It's not that uncommon for carbon fiber brakes to let the car tug and roll a little when they are not hot. But, they will come on strong when they are applied at the end of a run when they build some heat. Nothing unusual here. Some of the lower budget teams sand the pads and the rotors between rounds if this happens. Nice try though.

But, according to Force, that's not what happened. He admitted twice on TV that the brakes failed yet he made the pass anyway.

Mark Rebilas just replied to me on FB with this: "I knew something was up when Force blew past crew member waiting to back him up from his burnout."

 

[Huge]

But, according to Force, that's not what happened. He admitted twice on TV that the brakes failed yet he made the pass anyway.

I was with the understanding that the car was just rolling a little. I'm still at the track and I have not seen the run or heard his interview, I'm just going off of what I was told. I did watch the finals though...and his nitro pedal and his brakes both worked good on that pass.

 

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I was with the understanding that the car was just rolling a little. I'm still at the track and I have not seen the run or heard his interview, I'm just going off of what I was told. I did watch the finals though...and his nitro pedal and his brakes both worked good on that pass.

Check my post again, I edited it with quote from Mark Rebilas. If NHRA was actually consistent though then he should have been DQ'd, especially going 140 mph faster than the SC dragster that was DQ'd.

 

[Zanman]

Who gives a s--t race over move on

 

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Who gives a s--t race over move on

People who want the rules to be enforced equally and racers treated equally give a shit. Picking favorites is BS.

 

[Zanman]

What happened to Laris was very much unfair and The very dim light showed what a piece of s--t he was in his ruling ( setting a precedent ) now that u feel should be equally enforced for what because force said it on tv that he had the brake issue, see Eugenes take,do u really think he woulda left knowing there were no brakes?

 

[Bob K.]

Nothing to see here

That's right ! He stopped the car with no problem. Probably forgot to pump them up. I have seen a lot of fuel cars warm up where they pump the brakes before seating the clutch.