Executions to Resume

[mick]

a topic for the ages.......
to kill a murderer for the betterment of society; to prevent the convicted
from murdering again; the constant struggle of good over evil.
does capital punishment in fact deter murderous acts? lessoning the
frequency of murders and protecting innocent lives? or does it not
deter and we only sacrfice the lives of murderers?

i guess the argument is it's better for a society to error on the side
of safety for it's innocent and uphold capital punishment, believing that
the act does in fact deter violent crime and prevent those that do
murder from ever murdering again.

I have a hard time with this issue as i'm a believer in the sanctity of life.
it a precious gift that has been given to us by God and not to be
decided for or against by ourselves.
I also realize one may never know their true feelings on this issue unless
one's life is impacted directly by violent crime; i pray that mine and my
family's never is.

i'd be interested to know the costs associated with a state's
killing of a murderer on death row?

 

[Alan]

i'd be interested to know the costs associated with a state's
killing of a murderer on death row?

I think when you intentionally take someone's life, you have lost your right to the 'sanctity of life' IMO.

As far as costs are concerned, as a staunch death penalty supporter, it pisses me off to think how long someone is on death row, and how much that costs taxpayers.

 

[Alan]

A bit off subect, but my wife was watching a video for her Sociology class last night. A guy is in prison for 16 years (on our tax dime, of course) after he is released from prison, then they deport him, because he was here illegally to begin with!

If we had a bit stiffer penalties for those that break the laws, perhaps our prisons wouldn't be overcrowded, and we wouldn't have 3000 people at a time sitting on death row.

 

[Nitrohaulic]

I think when you intentionally take someone's life, you have lost your right to the 'sanctity of life' IMO.

As far as costs are concerned, as a staunch death penalty supporter, it pisses me off to think how long someone is on death row, and how much that costs taxpayers.

What's funny to me is that, IMO, a lot of the people opposed to the death penalty usually seem to be of the liberal political persuasion. In other words, they have no problem with confiscating the wealth of others through the use of taxes and redistributing it. When you talk about the death penalty, all of a sudden they're fiscal conservatives and spending matters.

I think the reason it costs more to execute someone than it does to keep them in prison all their life is because we don't do it enough in volume.

Personally, I'd ad rapists and child molesters to the list of people eligible for it. If anyone has religious or moral problems with it, just give me the switch! As far as the volume thing goes, maybe if we rigged it up to do more than one, like they used to build gallows to do? Hey, if there's ten or more cash registers open at Walmart? Maybe that's the problem. Maybe we need to privatize THAT and save a buck! Instead of Jiffy Lube......... What would you call it? Speedycute? That's a nice enough sounding name. Electro-Cute? Lectra-Cute?

Could grow into corporations big enough to sponsor drag race pro cars! I can see them incorporating the cars into their ads with taglines like "We're QUICK!" Okay, I'll stop myself.

In a minute I will. They'd have to come up with a much nicer, more corporate sounding word for what they do instead of "execute." Something a driver could say on camera in the winner's circle.

 

[clwill]

Liberal/conservative, for/against, one thing that ought to at least give the "fry 'em all" crowd pause is people released from death row when definitive proof of their innocence (e.g. DNA evidence) is unveiled years later.

There is a great deal of debate over the cost and/or deterrent effect of capital punishment, and I'm not weighing in on that. I simply propose that executing one innocent person is a far greater wrong than having the guilty spend years on death row awaiting the exhaustion of the legal process.

 

[Alan]

I like Ron's train of thought here......'Express Lane'

The appeals process is a joke, drug out by liberals.....

 

[mike cummings]

What's funny to me is that, IMO, a lot of the people opposed to the death penalty usually seem to be of the liberal political persuasion. In other words, they have no problem with confiscating the wealth of others through the use of taxes and redistributing it.

these are also the people who are so eager to abort innocent babies, and yet they want to have the life of a guilty murderer prolonged.

 

[Alan]

these are also the people who are so eager to abort innocent babies, and yet they want to have the life of a guilty murderer prolonged.

You beat me to that thought.....I was thinking it, you were already typing it!

 

[mike cummings]

You beat me to that thought.....I was thinking it, you were already typing it!

what is that saying about great minds?......

 

[Jenn]

In a minute I will. They'd have to come up with a much nicer, more corporate sounding word for what they do instead of "execute." Something a driver could say on camera in the winner's circle.

Terminate their living arrangement with the state/federal penetentry?

I'm not for the death penalty per se. I don't think I could ever sentence somebody to death, but I don't think we should eliminate it either. If there's some other person who sentences them to death, I think it should be followed through.

Am I shirking responsibility by not voting to put somebody to death but letting somebody else do it?

I think it's should be there for an example like that Ann Coulter qoute I posted before. Or as another qoute I heard

"If you can't be a good example, at least be a terrible warning"

 

[Nitrohaulic]

Terminate their living arrangement with the state/federal penetentry?

I LOVE this woman! ( We just might not want to discuss the reaction time improvement device here that you also came up with a name for? )

If I were 20 years younger or you were 20 years older and you weren't married and I didn't have a girlfriend and we didn't live thousands of miles apart and I didn't have a multitude of other personal problems that I can't discuss here....whew!

 

[Nitrohaulic]

Am I shirking responsibility by not voting to put somebody to death but letting somebody else do it?

Like I said, give me the switch! I don't have all those religious burdens.

They'd fire me because I already know that in no time I'd be playing games with them. I'd go a little early on this one, a little late on that one. Try to get the switch close enough that it'd just barely short and spark a little WAY ahead of time, then hold it back up and appear innocent when everyone looks. Imagine doing THAT and trying to keep a straight face.

 

[Joker]

About the cost of killing inmates, there's no way it cost more to off some scumbag that doesnt deserve to live to begin with than it would to house and feed them for 50 years or so.* And we shouldnt have people on death row for 12 years before we kill them either.* You got 2 years max to make your rebuttal case or whatever and thats it.* If you plead guilty then we do it in 6 months.* Yeah, I wanna put in an express lane to lethal injection.* Happy injection $)U)#@)!!!!!

 

[Jenn]

Like I said, give me the switch! I don't have all those religious burdens.

They'd fire me because I already know that in no time I'd be playing games with them. I'd go a little early on this one, a little late on that one. Try to get the switch close enough that it'd just barely short and spark a little WAY ahead of time, then hold it back up and appear innocent when everyone looks. Imagine doing THAT and trying to keep a straight face.

What exactly is a sonofabitch?

 

[Nitrohaulic]

What exactly is a sonofa*****?

I laugh when I see that one, then have kind of a sad moment. When I was a kid someone I knew was airing up a tire on a piece of construction equipment. I snuck up behind him and lit a firecracker, trying to make him think the tire exploded. What I didn't know was that he was a Vietnam veteran and it REALLY messed with him. I felt like an idiot.

 

[Jenn]

I laugh when I see that one, then have kind of a sad moment. When I was a kid someone I knew was airing up a tire on a piece of construction equipment. I snuck up behind him and lit a firecracker, trying to make him think the tire exploded. What I didn't know was that he was a Vietnam veteran and it REALLY messed with him. I felt like an idiot.

That picture was the first thing I thought of when I read your post.

I'm starting to wonder if we are going to have that problem now with all the Iraq war soldiers coming home, God Bless them.

 

[Nitrohaulic]

That picture was the first thing I thought of when I read your post.

I'm starting to wonder if we are going to have that problem now with all the Iraq war soldiers coming home, God Bless them.

Yeah, I felt kinda bad about posting the rest of that, like maybe I was being a bummer. Just a little thing that guy may not even remember by now but, that I wish I could take back.

Apologize for the derailment but, like I asked on classicfunnycarboard the other week. Vietnam was a "police action" that we ended up calling a war. I don't think Iraq is exactly two forces wearing distinctive uniforms fighting each other on a battlefield. Wouldn't what we're doing over there now fit the definition of a "police action"?

 

[Jenn]

Yeah, I felt kinda bad about posting the rest of that, like maybe I was being a bummer. Just a little thing that guy may not even remember by now but, that I wish I could take back.

Apologize for the derailment but, like I asked on classicfunnycarboard the other week. Vietnam was a "police action" that we ended up calling a war. I don't think Iraq is exactly two forces wearing distinctive uniforms fighting each other on a battlefield. Wouldn't what we're doing over there now fit the definition of a "police action"?

I wouldn't think you were being a bummer Ron, in fact, it's something that very few of us would think about and now in these times, it's something that deserves some thought and consideration to the returning soldiers.

I hadn't even thought much bout it, and with Tom being in the Air Force, I'm might be meeting more people who could have that underlying problem.

 

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Lets get crackin':

Court lifts stays of execution for 3 death row inmates

The Supreme Court cleared the way Monday for Alabama, Mississippi and Texas to set new execution dates for three inmates who were granted last-minute reprieves by the justices last year.

The court on Monday turned down appeals from Thomas Arthur of Alabama, Earl Wesley Berry of Mississippi and Carlton Turner of Texas. The court blocked their executions last fall while it considered a challenge to Kentucky's lethal injection procedures.

The justices said those procedures are not unconstitutionally cruel, a decision that almost certainly will lead to a resumption of executions after a 7-month hiatus.

The high court's last-minute orders temporarily sparing the three inmates automatically expired when the justices denied their appeals Monday.

Seven other death row inmates also lost their appeals Monday, but they had not been facing imminent execution.

The other inmates are: Juan Velazquez in Arizona, Samuel Crowe and Joseph Williams in Georgia, Michael Taylor in Missouri, and Kenneth Biros, Richard Cooey and James Frazier in Ohio.

It is unclear whether they can mount new appeals to stop their executions, although the court's decision last week left the door open to challenging lethal injection procedures in other states where problems with administering the drugs are well documented.

Roughly three dozen states use three drugs in succession to put to sleep, paralyze and kill inmates. Critics of the procedures have said that if the first drug is administered incorrectly or in an insufficient dosage, the inmate could suffer excruciating pain from the other two drugs. But because the second drug is a paralytic, he would be unable to express his discomfort.

The states sought to proceed with the executions of Arthur, Berry and Turner in spite of the high court review in the Kentucky case. The states argued that the men had used up all their appeals.

The justices provided no explanation when they blocked the executions.

Arthur received a death sentenced for killing Troy Wicker, 35, of Muscle Shoals, Ala., in 1982. The victim's wife, Judy Wicker, testified she had sex with Arthur and paid him $10,000 to kill her husband, who was shot in the face as he lay in bed.

Berry was sentenced to death for the 1987 murder of Mary Bounds. Bounds was beaten to death after leaving her weekly church choir practice, and her body was found just off a Chickasaw County road near Houston, Miss.

Turner, of Dallas, is facing the death penalty for killing his parents in 1998.

 

[Joker]

They committed murder in 1982 and 1987 and we are just now getting around to knocking them off. Just plain crazy. Why in the hell do we put people on death row for 25 years and then off them. Thats about 23 year or so that we shouldnt have to be crowding up prisons and feeding a useless scumbag. I wish I could run this country for one year, just one year. I think I could really clean up some crap.