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do you really consider .007 a holeshot?
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vegasnitro
Nitro Member
I think it is a simple math thing ... Any time a slower ET wins it is a hole shot. Funny Car has been ridiculous today, I can't remember the last time there were so many hole shots in a nitro category. Great racing for sure!
4g63rwd
Nitro Member
I don't think they make too much of it because they don't happen that often. That means that the DRIVER performed better than their CAR did for a change. No matter what, $$$ can't always win over driver skill. It puts the "plug any driver into a competitive car and win" philosophy to a test, no??
StockersRock
Nitro Member
Exactly. If .007 doesn't classify as a holeshot, then what does?
yoda
Nitro Member
Whoo boy Chris.... dangerous ground you're treading on, breaking out the "simple math" card around these parts...
a .007 advantage in reaction times isn't a holeshot if that car was staged a little deeper than the other and that is usually apparent if the other car is ahead at 60 feet. Small differences in reaction time often come at the expense of ET. However, if the slower ET also gets the win light, then it's a holeshot. In fact, as we saw yesterday, if the two run the same ET, it's a holeshot win for the victor.
Whoo boy Chris.... dangerous ground you're treading on, breaking out the "simple math" card around these parts...
I majored in math and I about snorted beer out my nose when I read this. I always get a laugh when people poke fun at mathematics, mathematicians in particular.
Bullard Anderson
Nitro Member
Do you Really consider winning a race by .007 a win????? Huge! Get Some!
If somebody wins a race cause of a .007 Holeshot, you bet it is!
my friends call me Zappy
Nitro Member
What kills me is, when the announcers refer to a great RT as.........."a poor attempt at a red light". Yet when a Super Class car runs a
dead on .90, they don't call it ............... "a poor attempt at a break-out". A driver should be always aiming for a .000RT - just like the
super car is aiming for a dead on.
dead on .90, they don't call it ............... "a poor attempt at a break-out". A driver should be always aiming for a .000RT - just like the
super car is aiming for a dead on.
James
Nitro Member
Depends on class, Tony Schumacher cut a .006 light. Do you think he was lucky or good? On the other hand a Pro Stock bike rider could probably cut a legitimate .006 light.
Dave
Nitro Member
Gary Ormsby used to cut a lot of .00x-.02x (in todays format) lights back in the day. Pat Austin was another one lightning quick at the tree. Spencer Massey used to be but seems to have fallen off. A lot of that was aided by the little airplane wheels they used to run back the day. Tony could have just been good for that one round, or anticipated the light and got lucky! Either way he was holding a tenth by the time the passed the tree!
Rollout96
Nitro Member
I agree Zappy!! I get what they are saying but the goal is to leave as early as possible to the green light. All of the other factors (human physics, mechanical physics) etc are taken into account in various ways (different in each class). So the closer you get the better. Obviously some classes naturally have wider margins but your car should be set up so that you can "go on yellow" and if that is .001 then you nailed it.
my friends call me Zappy
Nitro Member
If a PSM cuts a .006 RT it's legitimate.....but Tony's is not??? Please explain.
In any sport one should be trying for the best he/she, can do. The best that CAN be done.
Baseball it's a home run - Golf it's a hole in one - Bowling it's a strike.
In dragracing the best a driver can leave is .000 perfect.
Just Paul
Nitro Member
Simple. A PSM can red light on reaction to yellow. They react faster. That's why they all had to change their driving style by holding the clutch differently when the LED lights came out, so the bike would actually react slower. See yellow, and go, hopefully you got it right.
A TF/FC I would say is impossible to red light after seeing yellow, staged shallow. Between reaction of the driver, then the car moving and breaking the beams, it takes a lot longer, and you are not going to get a red-light. I honestly don't think a fuel car that staged shallow and reacting to yellow can get a .025 or under. That's why the real good guys are usually in the .40 range, it just takes that long for the car to break the beam. Just my opinion.
This is exactly why you see drivers 2 step from time to time. They hit the gas, knowing full well they didn't see yellow, and try to catch themselves and it turns into a big cluster F.
I don't think Tony had a reaction to anything, his brain said put the pedal down without seeing the light. When the car left the beams it caught the tree just right. If the tree had been delayed on activation by .010 he would have had a -.004 red. That's why it was pure luck in my opinion. Looks good on paper though!!
That being said, the same thing happened to me 2 weeks ago. When bracket racing, I use a middle bulb blocker so I can see the top light come on, the second bulb is blocked out, and I look at the bottom yellow and wait for it to come on, and I go. I am usually .050-.060 dead shallow, and that is decent for my class. I can't red light if I follow my procedure, see bottom yellow, go. (easier said then done) So at the last race, 3rd round, I came off the brake pedal, and I knew as soon as I did, it was early. It was not a reaction, I just went. I was surprised the tree was green when I went by. My light was .010 and I don't even try to get that close. I got lucky, I admit it.
my friends call me Zappy
Nitro Member
You are usually .o5o's and .060's nothing wrong with those at all. Last race you came off the brake earlyer than normal and was rewarded with
a better than normal .010 .......outstanding!!! light. YOU are the driver, YOU were in control of the brake, YOU were in control of the gas.
YOU got a GREAT RT. Take credit where credit is due. Congrats. It was not a "POOR RED LIGHT ATTEMPT"
Any class can red-light, any class can .000rt
a better than normal .010 .......outstanding!!! light. YOU are the driver, YOU were in control of the brake, YOU were in control of the gas.
YOU got a GREAT RT. Take credit where credit is due. Congrats. It was not a "POOR RED LIGHT ATTEMPT"
Any class can red-light, any class can .000rt
Luke Nieuwhof
Nitro Member
As explained above, because a TF car reacts slower than a PS car or PSM. With a PS car or PSM it is possible to react to the yellow and go red. With a TF car it is generally accepted that this is impossible, unless you are in deep.
And as a driver you don't want to be aiming for a .000 each time, a .000 might be a winning reaction time but it isn't necessarily a good one - as you get closer to .000 you increase your chances of red lighting. Using your baseball example, imagine if a metre beyond the spectator fences there was an imaginary line. If you hit the ball between the fence and that line then that is a home run, congratulations! But if you hit beyond that line it is a foul ball. That is kind of what it is like in drag racing. If this imaginary scenario occurred in baseball, you would see more players aiming for a point perhaps just before the fences, rather than hitting the ball too far and risking a foul ball.
If we really wanted to see the best reaction times an 'instant green' system would be interesting, you'd see a lot more guys rolling in as deep as possible...
