Cory McClenathan Leaving DSR Following Season End

[Wayne]

I am not saying I agree with this decision at all but..........
All other things being equal, Spencer in that car and it would be going into the last race of the year with the points lead.

Well Carnack how did you arrive at this conclusion? Not agreeing or disagreeing just wondering how and what makes that true?

What John said!!!

However, I AM disagreeing with you Mel!!!
Yes,Spencer has good lights but he lacks the the experience that Cory has!!!
A whopping 4 holeshot losses out of how many rounds!!!

Mel, please elaborate because that statement sounds like it came from someone who wants to "get in good" with Spencer(his dad posts here) and I KNOW that is not the case with you!!!

Thx in advance!

Wayne

 

[Potknot]

So i am assuming that the Greek is not going to be driving for DSR next year?

I hope to see Cory finds another ride next year!
And it was great to see the Greek at as many races as he was this year.

Cant wait to put a NON Fr@m filters in my car

 

[none]

What John said!!!

However, I AM disagreeing with you Mel!!!
Yes,Spencer has good lights but he lacks the the experience that Cory has!!!
A whopping 4 holeshot losses out of how many rounds!!!

Mel, please elaborate because that statement sounds like it came from someone who wants to "get in good" with Spencer(his dad posts here) and I KNOW that is not the case with you!!!

Thx in advance!

Wayne

That is a fair request........And it is up for debate.
First, you are going on four hole shot losses. That is easy to see. Go back and look at the close losses during the year that were not holeshot losses. Factor in 40 or even a 50 light instead of Corys RT. Then, and this is where you have to stay with me............once he proves he is going to get 3 or 4 hundreths every time, the other crew chiefs know they have to push their car harder. SMOKE........

 

[clwill]

First, you are going on four hole shot losses. That is easy to see. Go back and look at the close losses during the year that were not holeshot losses. Factor in 40 or even a 50 light instead of Corys RT. Then, and this is where you have to stay with me............once he proves he is going to get 3 or 4 hundreths every time, the other crew chiefs know they have to push their car harder. SMOKE........

Mel's got an excellent point. If you look at the first-off-the-line stats, with Cory near the bottom at ~35%, you have to wonder what the results would be if that number was better. Even just at 50% like Schu, let alone in the 60-70% range that some others have, it would certainly have made a difference.

Another way to look at it is to look at qualifying vs. race day. I haven't checked the stats, but if the car qualifies well (less about the driver) but is on the trailer early, it's time to wonder what the driver is doing.

 

[Wayne]

That is a fair request........And it is up for debate.
First, you are going on four hole shot losses. That is easy to see. Go back and look at the close losses during the year that were not holeshot losses. Factor in 40 or even a 50 light instead of Corys RT. Then, and this is where you have to stay with me............once he proves he is going to get 3 or 4 hundreths every time, the other crew chiefs know they have to push their car harder. SMOKE........

Mel's got an excellent point. If you look at the first-off-the-line stats, with Cory near the bottom at ~35%, you have to wonder what the results would be if that number was better. Even just at 50% like Schu, let alone in the 60-70% range that some others have, it would certainly have made a difference.

Another way to look at it is to look at qualifying vs. race day. I haven't checked the stats, but if the car qualifies well (less about the driver) but is on the trailer early, it's time to wonder what the driver is doing.

Great points Mel & Chris. Hadn't thought about it that way.
Thank you both!!!

 

[none]

Mel's got an excellent point. If you look at the first-off-the-line stats, with Cory near the bottom at ~35%, you have to wonder what the results would be if that number was better. Even just at 50% like Schu, let alone in the 60-70% range that some others have, it would certainly have made a difference.

Another way to look at it is to look at qualifying vs. race day. I haven't checked the stats, but if the car qualifies well (less about the driver) but is on the trailer early, it's time to wonder what the driver is doing.

Spencer was first off the line 87% of the time for all of last year............
ESPN showed this stat a lot last year. Langdon was second best at around 84%.

 

[clwill]

Spencer was first off the line 87% of the time for all of last year............
ESPN showed this stat a lot last year. Langdon was second best at around 84%.

Amazing, huh? If DSR does make this move, they'll have an over 50% improvement in leaves-first time. That should certainly make for some extra round wins...

 

[Tom]

I fail to see why some of you are offended by some folks decision to NOT buy Fram filters based upon their dissapointment with Fram ending Cory Mac's contract.

I look at it this way: Fram is IN the sport to appeal to race fans to buy their products. They choose the driver they want to sponsor based on what he/she appeals to that company and how they feel that driver will represent them. So, you the fan likes "Driver A", so you buy their product. In this case, you like Cory Mac, you buy Fram filters. Fram drops Cory Mac, and goes with another driver you don't particularly care for. If they aren't sponsoring the driver you like anymore, why would you folks expect some of us to continue buying their product? Look, companies are offering sponsor money while asking for brand loyalty from us the consumers. But loyalty is a two way street. If they want me to be loyal to their brand, then I don't find it unreasonable to expect the same of them. Not that they have to "honor some kind of loyalty code; as many of you pointed out, Mr. Schumacher doesn't owe any of us anything, it is his money, he can do as he pleases. Honeywell/Fram, same thing. It's their money and they don't have to honor some sort of "code" or "accord", but then again, we don't have to either. It's "no lickey, no stickey" when it comes to consumer trends. Sure, DSR and Fram doesn't have to remain loyal to fans, but fans don't have to remain loyal to them either; it's a two way street. So Fram shouldn't expect me to stay loyal to them if they won't stay loyal to their drivers and fans.

Like it is their decisions to do/not what they wish, it is ours as well to do/not do as WE wish.

 

[Draw 3D]

Fram drops Cory Mac, and goes with another driver you don't particularly care for.

Am I the only one who heard ds say on ESPN that the actual decision to dump Cory was his and not Fram's.

 

[Lori]

Am I the only one who heard ds say on ESPN that the actual decision to dump Cory was his and not Fram's.

Nope I heard it.
I also (didn't like to hear him say--) It is good for DSR, good for Fram, and good for Cory".
Really? Not sure all those hold true.

 

[Draw 3D]

Nope I heard it.
I also (didn't like to hear him say--) It is good for DSR, good for Fram, and good for Cory".
Really? Not sure all those hold true.

Old salesman saying, throw enough bs and some might stick.

Sure hopes that the admission finally stops the "Fram is looking for a younger face" crap, it has been and always be about who brings in the most money and talent, fan loyalty and TEAM loyalty all be damned!

Looks to me like drag racing is being prostituted for a quick buck.

 

[Smiley]

What John said!!!

However, I AM disagreeing with you Mel!!!
Yes,Spencer has good lights but he lacks the the experience that Cory has!!!
A whopping 4 holeshot losses out of how many rounds!!!

Mel, please elaborate because that statement sounds like it came from someone who wants to "get in good" with Spencer(his dad posts here) and I KNOW that is not the case with you!!!

Thx in advance!

Wayne

Taking another angle at Mel's points (which I agree), can we get data on how many times Corey's ET is maybe a hun or two less than his opponent's? Someone that can leave a hun or two better 87% of the time, will win those .01-.02 races 87% of the time!

So Corey has had 4 holeshot losses, how many holeshot WINS? How many times has Spencer won on a holeshot?


I mean no disrespect to Corey in any way, I like him and hate to see him not have a ride, but from Don's point of view - his teams won ZERO Championships this year, wouldn't you shake things up a bit?

How long has it been since there wasn't a DSR car or bike with a championship?

 

[clwill]

Because I don't have a life, I just looked all this up:

McClenathan 2010
Race
Round, W/L, Opponent, +/- RT Advantage

Pomona2
r1 W Zizzo, -.011
r2 L Lucas, -.008

Vegas2
r1 L Mariani, -.003

Reading
r1 W Lagana, -.032
r2 W Langdon, -.055
r3 W Brown, -.012
r4 L Dixon, -.024

Dallas
r1 W Lucas, +.006
r2 W Kalitta, +.010
r3 L Schumacher, -.023

Charlotte2
r1 W Lucas, +.029
r2 W Fuller, -.002
r3 L Dixon, +.058

Indy
r1 W McMillen, -.008
r2 W Zizzo, -.001
r3 W Schumacher, +.000
r4 L Dixon, -.013

Brainerd
r1 W Karamesines, +.068
r2 W Schumacher, +.026
r3 W Grubnic, +.003
r4 L Dixon, -.003

Denver
r1 L Bernstein, -.011

Sonoma
r1 W Vandergriff, -.038
r2 W Kalitta, +.012
r3 L Dixon, +.017

Seattle
r1 W Strasburg, +.011
r2 W Grubnic, -.028
r3 W Langdon, -.051
r4 W Brown, +.001

Norwalk
r1 W Kalitta, +.030
r2 W Bernstein, -.002
r3 L Brown, -.002

Bristol
r1 W Palmer, -.019
r2 W Torrence, -.005
r3 L Schumacher, -.009

Englishtown
r1 W Bye
r2 L Kalitta, -.016

Chicago
r1 W Lucas, -.014
r2 L Torrence, -.049

Topeka
r1 W Lucas, +.017
r2 W Kalitta, -.008
r3 W Bernstein, red
r4 L Schumacher, -.016

Atlanta
r1 W Langdon, +.004
r2 L Schumacher, +.000

St. Louis
r1 L Brown, -.029

Vegas1
r1 W Haddock, +.024
r2 W Schumacher, -.025
r3 W Bernstein, -.001
r4 L Dixon, -.008

Houston
r1 W Zizzo, -.003
r2 W Kalitta, -.032
r3 L Dixon, -.046

Gainesville
r1 W Lagana, -.031
r2 L Langdon, -.026

Phoenix
r1 W Strasburg, -.043
r2 W Buff, -.037
r3 W Torrence, -.050
r4 W Kalitta, -.033

Pomona1
r1 W Faria, +.017
r2 W Langdon, -.027
r3 L Kalitta, -.030

Some observations:

• I couldn't find a holeshot win.
• I didn't calculate what various races a given margin would have won
• Notice how many wins are despite a RT disadvantage, the car is hot
• For an interesting case of the above, look at Phoenix. He won the race, but was at least two-hundredths slow in each round.

Chris

 

[Randy]

Because I don't have a life, I just looked all this up:

McClenathan 2010
Race
Round, W/L, Opponent, +/- RT Advantage

Pomona2
r1 W Zizzo, -.011
r2 L Lucas, -.008

Vegas2
r1 L Mariani, -.003

Reading
r1 W Lagana, -.032
r2 W Langdon, -.055
r3 W Brown, -.012
r4 L Dixon, -.024

Dallas
r1 W Lucas, +.006
r2 W Kalitta, +.010
r3 L Schumacher, -.023

Charlotte2
r1 W Lucas, +.029
r2 W Fuller, -.002
r3 L Dixon, +.058

Indy
r1 W McMillen, -.008
r2 W Zizzo, -.001
r3 W Schumacher, +.000
r4 L Dixon, -.013

Brainerd
r1 W Karamesines, +.068
r2 W Schumacher, +.026
r3 W Grubnic, +.003
r4 L Dixon, -.003

Denver
r1 L Bernstein, -.011

Sonoma
r1 W Vandergriff, -.038
r2 W Kalitta, +.012
r3 L Dixon, +.017

Seattle
r1 W Strasburg, +.011
r2 W Grubnic, -.028
r3 W Langdon, -.051
r4 W Brown, +.001

Norwalk
r1 W Kalitta, +.030
r2 W Bernstein, -.002
r3 L Brown, -.002

Bristol
r1 W Palmer, -.019
r2 W Torrence, -.005
r3 L Schumacher, -.009

Englishtown
r1 W Bye
r2 L Kalitta, -.016

Chicago
r1 W Lucas, -.014
r2 L Torrence, -.049

Topeka
r1 W Lucas, +.017
r2 W Kalitta, -.008
r3 W Bernstein, red
r4 L Schumacher, -.016

Atlanta
r1 W Langdon, +.004
r2 L Schumacher, +.000

St. Louis
r1 L Brown, -.029

Vegas1
r1 W Haddock, +.024
r2 W Schumacher, -.025
r3 W Bernstein, -.001
r4 L Dixon, -.008

Houston
r1 W Zizzo, -.003
r2 W Kalitta, -.032
r3 L Dixon, -.046

Gainesville
r1 W Lagana, -.031
r2 L Langdon, -.026

Phoenix
r1 W Strasburg, -.043
r2 W Buff, -.037
r3 W Torrence, -.050
r4 W Kalitta, -.033

Pomona1
r1 W Faria, +.017
r2 W Langdon, -.027
r3 L Kalitta, -.030

Some observations:

• I couldn't find a holeshot win.
• I didn't calculate what various races a given margin would have won
• Notice how many wins are despite a RT disadvantage, the car is hot
• For an interesting case of the above, look at Phoenix. He won the race, but was at least two-hundredths slow in each round.

Chris

In some cases the car set up can have an effect on a driver's reaction time. Cory may not be a Shawn Langdon, but it may not be all Cory, either.

 

[mick]

Because I don't have a life..............

you too!!??.........knew there was a reason i like this website

 

[clwill]

In some cases the car set up can have an effect on a driver's reaction time. Cory may not be a Shawn Langdon, but it may not be all Cory, either.

So very true.

 

[Wayne]

In some cases the car set up can have an effect on a driver's reaction time. Cory may not be a Shawn Langdon, but it may not be all Cory, either.

Very true Randy!
Just look at AFH's RTs and what Guido has said about them.
And Larry Dixon: back with Snake, his RTs were usually in the top of the class. Now at Al-Anabi his times are still good but they're not quite as good.

 

[HEMI6point1]

Very true Randy!
Just look at AFH's RTs and what Guido has said about them.
And Larry Dixon: back with Snake, his RTs were usually in the top of the class. Now at Al-Anabi his times are still good but they're not quite as good.

That's because the AJR dragster more than makes up for it in performance.

 

[Tumbleweed]

good Luck to Cory!! I'm sure good things will come.......