ABOUT THE BUDDY HULL Q4 DISQUALIFICATION (1 Viewer)

[none]

I thought it was a discussion, at least until you decided to start name calling.

I also know when the scales are off 15 cars will fail, because they are all right on the weight.

And if the header template was off, I would expect more than just one car to fail. Wouldn't you?

Minion

 

[M Jones]

I thought it was a discussion, at least until you decided to start name calling.

I also know when the scales are off 15 cars will fail, because they are all right on the weight.

And if the header template was off, I would expect more than just one car to fail. Wouldn't you?

Minion

Hey Alan, some people get confused with the facts

 

[mikebcurve]

It was a discussion with redirection to everything but the actual argument, while ignoring any part you didn’t want to address. We don’t know his or anyone else’s measurements for a fact and Hull’s was referred to as a smidge off. Everyone else could have been been really close too. Why does it seem so impossible for Hull’s argument to have been a possibility? He may have been wrong, but you have obviously already made your decision based on the laws of average.

You’re offended by being referred to as a minion. I don’t really think that is name calling. I’ve heard you have thick skin, geez. You always play the back and forth until your faithful followers come to your defense. I guess we made it there.

Mark, with all due respect, please show me the FACTS Alan presented. Your intentions are honorable, but come on man.

 

[Paul]

You’re offended by being referred to as a minion. I don’t really think that is name calling. I’ve heard you have thick skin, geez. You always play the back and forth until your faithful followers come to your defense. I guess we made it there.

No need to be an *******. Hopefully you can figure out the asterisks.

 

[vlad the impaler]

Has anyone seen the measuring device used? Picture?

 

[Sparky]

As it was stated on here earlier if all cars had there header angle tested and only one failed what is the issue. Where they checking them all at the or near the same location on the return road. Seems to me it is either in or out. Yes a better mouse trap can always be built, but does one need to be built.

 

[sutton]

It was a discussion with redirection to everything but the actual argument, while ignoring any part you didn’t want to address. We don’t know his or anyone else’s measurements for a fact and Hull’s was referred to as a smidge off. Everyone else could have been been really close too. Why does it seem so impossible for Hull’s argument to have been a possibility? He may have been wrong, but you have obviously already made your decision based on the laws of average.

You’re offended by being referred to as a minion. I don’t really think that is name calling. I’ve heard you have thick skin, geez. You always play the back and forth until your faithful followers come to your defense. I guess we made it there.

Mark, with all due respect, please show me the FACTS Alan presented. Your intentions are honorable, but come on man.

Michael
I would think at 51 years of age you would give more respect too a person that knows more about drag racing than you will ever know. Alan comes on here to help everone better understand the different things that go on during the races. Yes I am a FAITHFUl follower of Alan and one of his many friends. It is time to back off and get a grip.
Larry Sutton---

 

[none]

My first post was simply explaining the spot check process. And as I said, it is Pass/Fail.

Everything Buddy said in the video about car changes that can affect the header angle is true. Smaller rear tires will lower the rear of the car. More air pressure in the front will raise the front of the car.

Buddy also said that they checked the angle with a smaller driver in the car. That would actually help. A heavier driver would lower the rear of the car and that would lay the header back even further, wouldn't it?

The bottom line is this. It is the team's responsibility to make sure the header angle is still in range no matter what changes are made to the car.

Minion

 

[Randy]

The direction of this discussion reminds me of the days many years ago when some "Pros", who were forum members, would actually participate in discussions on Nitromater. They gave insight based on their knowledge and perspective from the pitside point of view. One by one they left this place or became lurkers without further participation because of a few here who did nothing but disrespectfully challenge their comments with nothing to back them up except for their ego or superior knowledge from mom's computer in the basement.

I've never thought Alan claims to represent NHRA or anyone else but himself and his perspective. And a lot of what he posts I believe is based on his observations and things he's heard and learned from others who've opened up to him. He has no motivational bias.

Speaking from nearly 30 years experience of enduring NHRA's fuel checks, weighing after a run, random surprise checks of absolutely everything from the staging lanes to my own pit, before and after a run, to total strip searches by NHRA tech (including total engine and supercharger tear downs), they have one rule. "Is it right, or is it wrong?" I've never ever heard of anyone being let off the hook for a "smidge". I've been bounced for less than a "smidge." And I was always glad it didn't matter what your last name is when the bouncing happens.

I, for one, appreciate Alan's input as he appears to be the last man standing here with an inside perspective. Whether you agree with him or not that's fine. But be as respectful to him in these discussions as you would expect others to be to you.

Flame away.

 

[camaro]

Michael
I would think at 51 years of age you would give more respect too a person that knows more about drag racing than you will ever know. Alan comes on here to help everone better understand the different things that go on during the races. Yes I am a FAITHFUl follower of Alan and one of his many friends. It is time to back off and get a grip.
Larry Sutton---

Agreed, no one knows more about Drag racing Than Alan Rienhart, and normally he has very valid points, however his opinions and statements always falls with in the decisions of his employer. Find me one post, where his statements flow against the grain of the NHRA and i will give you my share of the 'Brooklyn Bridge' ownership. IMO any information received from any news outlet, that has a preset agenda, should be taken with a grain of salt

 

[Custom Body Fan]

So, the “Voice of the NHRA” says Hull’s car was most likely measured correctly, but it is a civilian assumption. That could never sway opinions, right? I think the way you presented it was unfair, unless you have solid proof the car was legit measured correctly. We have only heard one side of the story as usual, so your opinion holds a lot of weight because of who you are.

I think we have heard two sides of the story. We heard NHRA's, and we heard Buddy's, and we have Alan's perspective too. If the measuring process were inaccurate, I would think more than 2 cars would have been caught all season, as I think we can be pretty sure the top teams are all maxing out on that spec.

 

[none]

Agreed, no one knows more about Drag racing Than Alan Rienhart, and normally he has very valid points, however his opinions and statements always falls with in the decisions of his employer. Find me one post, where his statements flow against the grain of the NHRA and i will give you my share of the 'Brooklyn Bridge' ownership. IMO any information received from any news outlet, that has a preset agenda, should be taken with a grain of salt

James,

You are 100% correct. That's why I have many times been silent on a given subject depending on circumstances.

When I do chime in I am giving my perspective based on my experience and knowledge having been around for a while. And I have no problem discussing things with those who have a different opinion or perspective, as long as it remains a civil discussion.

Even inside the Nitro pit area there are owners and drivers that have widely different ideas about how things should be done. You would probably be surprised to know how many times Don Schumacher and Connie Kalitta disagreed on policy. That's what makes discussion interesting.

Alan

 

[M Jones]

The direction of this discussion reminds me of the days many years ago when some "Pros", who were forum members, would actually participate in discussions on Nitromater. They gave insight based on their knowledge and perspective from the pitside point of view. One by one they left this place or became lurkers without further participation because of a few here who did nothing but disrespectfully challenge their comments with nothing to back them up except for their ego or superior knowledge from mom's computer in the basement.

I've never thought Alan claims to represent NHRA or anyone else but himself and his perspective. And a lot of what he posts I believe is based on his observations and things he's heard and learned from others who've opened up to him. He has no motivational bias.

Speaking from nearly 30 years experience of enduring NHRA's fuel checks, weighing after a run, random surprise checks of absolutely everything from the staging lanes to my own pit, before and after a run, to total strip searches by NHRA tech (including total engine and supercharger tear downs), they have one rule. "Is it right, or is it wrong?" I've never ever heard of anyone being let off the hook for a "smidge". I've been bounced for less than a "smidge." And I was always glad it didn't matter what your last name is when the bouncing happens.

I, for one, appreciate Alan's input as he appears to be the last man standing here with an inside perspective. Whether you agree with him or not that's fine. But be as respectful to him in these discussions as you would expect others to be to you.

Flame away.

Thank you Randy, Alan and Larry thank you, that being said I have had a couple run in’s with tech, do I always agree with NHRA rulings, no, racers have pushed and interpreted the rules to a fine line, some going to far to get an advantage, some going to far with the right intentions, that’s why you have a tech department, don’t blame the messenger for doing there job to the best of his or her judgment, we are human after all, Michael, referring to someone as a minion in my understanding is a term used to describe someone who does not think for them selves and blindly obeys some one else, I don’t recall any post by Alan that fits that description, by giving descriptions of how these calls can and do happen, is presenting the facts, I don’t like to.see a small team miss the show like that, especially that team

 

[z28]

seems to me there should be a better way.

 

[M Jones]

seems to me there should be a better way.

Having good discussions is how better paths are found and better changes are made for all

 

[Professional Fan]

If Galvin is in the booth at Gainesville, I'm waiting for him to say, let's go to Minion at the top end!

 

[65 Goatboy]

James,

You are 100% correct. That's why I have many times been silent on a given subject depending on circumstances.

When I do chime in I am giving my perspective based on my experience and knowledge having been around for a while. And I have no problem discussing things with those who have a different opinion or perspective, as long as it remains a civil discussion.

Even inside the Nitro pit area there are owners and drivers that have widely different ideas about how things should be done. You would probably be surprised to know how many times Don Schumacher and Connie Kalitta disagreed on policy. That's what makes discussion interesting.

Alan

Alan, on a lighter note enjoyed hearing you call in to Dave Moody's show earlier this week. You probably didn't hear how he introduced you?!

 

[none]

Alan, on a lighter note enjoyed hearing you call in to Dave Moody's show earlier this week. You probably didn't hear how he introduced you?!

Dave Moody is a dear friend, if he didn't bust my chops I would be worried. Sharing a beer and stories with him is one of the great ways to spend a Happy Hour.

And I believe that I'm the only NHRA announcer to ever be on his show as a booked guest. Having the hotline number is a bonus......

Alan

 

[twostep]

The test is Pass/Fail (Not "Close enough") if you fail the run is thrown out.

I hate it for Buddy and Jim, but where do you want the line? 90.1% Nitro OK? Only 5 lbs. light OK?

This is what should happen, of course. I found myself thinking "aw, come on...it's .05 percent....totally unintentional and couldn't have possibly served as a performance aid....just this once....I'll take it off....come on, man..." But as you just pointed out, either yes it is or no it's not is the only correct way to enforce the rules.

 

[twostep]

You’re offended by being referred to as a minion. I don’t really think that is name calling. I’ve heard you have thick skin, geez. You always play the back and forth until your faithful followers come to your defense. I guess we made it there.

Mark, with all due respect, please show me the FACTS Alan presented. Your intentions are honorable, but come on man.

Speaking for myself, I have much respect for Alan's expertise and after reconsideration I sided with him because he's right (about letting small infractions slide). If I thought he was wrong I'd say so. We're grown ass men; we can have a debate.

Maybe it's just me but are actual facts that important in this particiular discussion? Opinions hit it pretty close (if 1 out of 19 is wrong, it's likely YOU if you're the 1) and besides, Alan wasn't standing there when they measured Hull's headers so he wouldn't have the "actual facts" anyway. Just an opinion from someone up in the cheap seats; no animosity expressed or implied.