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We are already in a rebellion Jackee .
The Latinos are taking back what they view as theirs.
The Islamists are fulfilling their own destiny.
3/4 of our population has no Idea what their freedom is much less that someone is defending it.

We have no plan other than fight one fire at a time.
We are in big trouble leadership wise.
 
We are already in a rebellion Jackee .
The Latinos are taking back what they view as theirs.
The Islamists are fulfilling their own destiny.
3/4 of our population has no Idea what their freedom is much less that someone is defending it.

We have no plan other than fight one fire at a time.
We are in big trouble leadership wise.

Sadly, you are right. And I don't see any good choices for November 2008 either.
 
Sadly, you are right. And I don't see any good choices for November 2008 either.

As an Independent voter, I agree. So if there are no 'good' choices, I'll use my vote to vote 'against' someone.

That will be to vote against the tax and spend candidate, the open borders candidate, the pro abortion candidate, the anti-military candidate, the cut and run candidate, the terrorism deny-er, the Liberal, the anti-family candidate, well..... you get the picture.

Ummmm.... after looking at what I'll be voting against, it will still be tough. I guess I'll have to narrow it down to my top priorities. ;)
 
The real leaders exploit America rather than guide it. In other words, the people most qualified to lead America don't want the job because they are too busy leading multinational corporations for 100's of million dollars.

If you could go back in time and tell Thomas Jefferson, Ben Franklin, George Washington or Thomas Paine that the federal government taxes our income at such a rate, that the states have no power (the true legacy of the Civil War was the consolidation of federal power), that the Legislative branch of government does not act in the interests of it's constituents they only serve PACs and special interest groups that can write the biggest checks and that the Executive branch can almost act unilaterally whilst the government spies on it's own citizens under the auspice of national security ... they would laugh at you. They would say that we are being treated no better than old King George was treating us pre-1776 and the Constitution is iron-clad to prevent such tyranny from ever happening again.

The problems with America are easy to fix, the problem is that there is no profit in it, so it will never get done. Meanwhile the mouth-breathing masses are too busy voting to keep someone on American Idol to realize slowly but surely their rights are being rescinded, their taxes are being pilfered and their government no longer functions. Then they are too apathetic to get to the polls to let their voice be heard. Instead of "Give me Liberty or give me death" it is "Give me HDTVs and SUVs or something".

My only advice is that "All politics are local". Start with your local elections, ride your Mayor and City Councilmen with your votes and your voice. Challenge such notions as tax increases and imminent domain. Seek to impose TERM LIMITS to prevent political atrophy. Eventually it will trickle up to the state level and then maybe, just maybe there is enough left to challenge the overt Federal machine.
 
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Sadly thats the truth.
Most of the good prospective good leadership know what the Anal exam followed by the Media circus will be like and would rather continue making a buck.

We are further hampered by the shills and crooks that are the ones making the laws while fleecing their constituents and giving the store away along with its contents.

How long till our credit runs out and we suddenly find out we don't make anything we can sell to anyone anymore.

Laws governing drilling for oil in many areas not deemed critical have not been amended since the fifty's when drilling was still a dirty business.

Like the clean water act cleaned up the rivers , laws and technology have cleaned up drilling and brought us into the 21st century .
Those who say not in my back yard are wrong and helping make us dependent on foreign oil all the while giving away funds that will be used to kill fellow countrymen and maybe themselves.

There is no plan other than fight one fire at a time and in the meantime enrich a lot of people connected to the trough.
The Media has it wrong! They say 70 percent of the people want out of Iraq!
If they asked the right questions they would then have to say 70 percent of the people want to win and get out of Iraq.
Amazing how you can manipulate a few works to read what you want.
Polling is a science and we need to know who is asking the right questions and not skewing the polls.

Scratch Zogby off he is corrupt completely.

I agree completely , I would vote for a monkey before I would vote for a crook or a socialist.

Those people up there are in the same percentages as the general population.
A. child molesters

B. Crooks [ [ maybe more due to offered temptations].

C. Retards [ watch c span a couple of hours ].

D. Brain dead [ see above ]

E. Gender Challenged

F. Lemming Syndrome [ they would vote themselves over the Cliff as a group if the leadership said to ].

G. Dyslexic [ they do everything backwards except raise taxes and spend your money]. There they seem to be experts !
H. Infirm [ I think some of them were born in the 1800's ]

I. Suffering Bush Derangement Syndrome [ Pete Starks remarks comes to mind among others].

J. Forgetfulness [ They don't seem to remember from week to week which bills were voted down because of a groundswell of opposition from voters]

K. I could go on and on but my fingers are tired.
I really can't think of anything good congress can do except stay home all but about two weeks a year.

There are some up there who have never had a real job except eat from the public trough. Some of the worse ones fit that category.
They have no conception of what its like to earn a living.
Is it any surprise that Politicians are the second oldest profession, closely related to the first!

Without TERM LIMITS we have had it.

I forgot , Congress is investigating mind reading and forming a thought police.
I'm invested heavily in Aluminum foil which can keep thoughts concealed as well as protect you from those pesky Alien Rays.
I'll see if I can find a link to the story. This aught to be good . LOL
 
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No matter how much you 'clean up' oil drilling, it still has an impact on living creatures.

The answer is NOT in drilling in the last pristine area on the planet, it IS in conservation of the resources we already have access to, and alternative fuel production. Eight out of 10 cars in Brazil runs on sugar cane.

Not one person outside of the armed forces needs to drive a 'family hummer'.
And since the technology for even heavy cars, trucks to get a minimum of 50 miles per gallon 40 years ago, 50 mpg should be the minimum standard and the mpg should be going up from there.
 
Ah Jackee , you who are our eyes and soul have fallen for the great ecological lie.
It just shows you none of us are immune to the BS the far left circulates as the truth.
I could amaze you with facts about Ethanol's properties and performance as well as what is happening to the economy because of it but suffice to say the two largest brand new not completed Ethanol Refineries construction are on hold.

I would tout Hydrogen as I think it is our greatist chance of success.
They are going great guns on building wind generation farms in West Texas [ I went out and visited them a couple of times].

Don't think they will amount to much though.
 
Ah Jackee , you who are our eyes and soul have fallen for the great ecological lie.
It just shows you none of us are immune to the BS the far left circulates as the truth.
I could amaze you with facts about Ethanol's properties and performance as well as what is happening to the economy because of it but suffice to say the two largest brand new not completed Ethanol Refineries construction are on hold.

I would tout Hydrogen as I think it is our greatist chance of success.
They are going great guns on building wind generation farms in West Texas [ I went out and visited them a couple of times].

Don't think they will amount to much though.

Please do not take me for someone who is swayed by anyone. I do my own research and form my own opinions.

I'll stick with my previous post, thanks.

I used ethenol as an example only. I too think hydrogen would be better based on what I've learned about it so far. The point is not ethenol or hydrogen, it is about alternative fuel sources and conservation. Nice try at deflecting my point though. Two points for trying. :D;)
 
The real leaders exploit America rather than guide it. In other words, the people most qualified to lead America don't want the job because they are too busy leading multinational corporations for 100's of million dollars.

If you could go back in time and tell Thomas Jefferson, Ben Franklin, George Washington or Thomas Paine that the federal government taxes our income at such a rate, that the states have no power (the true legacy of the Civil War was the consolidation of federal power), that the Legislative branch of government does not act in the interests of it's constituents they only serve PACs and special interest groups that can write the biggest checks and that the Executive branch can almost act unilaterally whilst the government spies on it's own citizens under the auspice of national security ... they would laugh at you. They would say that we are being treated no better than old King George was treating us pre-1776 and the Constitution is iron-clad to prevent such tyranny from ever happening again.

The problems with America are easy to fix, the problem is that there is no profit in it, so it will never get done. Meanwhile the mouth-breathing masses are too busy voting to keep someone on American Idol to realize slowly but surely their rights are being rescinded, their taxes are being pilfered and their government no longer functions. Then they are too apathetic to get to the polls to let their voice be heard. Instead of "Give me Liberty or give me death" it is "Give me HDTVs and SUVs or something".

My only advice is that "All politics are local". Start with your local elections, ride your Mayor and City Councilmen with your votes and your voice. Challenge such notions as tax increases and imminent domain. Seek to impose TERM LIMITS to prevent political atrophy. Eventually it will trickle up to the state level and then maybe, just maybe there is enough left to challenge the overt Federal machine.

Didn't you just list a bunch of wealthy capitalists? :D

I think one of the biggest shames in this country is that the small business owners/entrepreneurs are not looked at in the same way by people born here as they are by the people who come here. A lot of the people born here seem to want to complain about how the deck is stacked against them while people from other places can't wait to get here to exploit our advantageous system.

I just met and became friends with a man a few weeks ago who came here 12 years ago from Slovakia when he was 24. I asked him what made him want to come here because I'm always trying to picture what it's like to be from somewhere else and want to be here. He said his grandfather came here in the 50s, made money in various states, then came home to buy land and retire. He said when he walked through town people looked up to him, that he was "SOMEBODY." He said growing up he always said he was going to America and that people constantly put him down for it, telling him that he was nothing. He looked at me proudly and said "You know what? I am HERE!"

I've already gotten a lot of good stories out of the guy, such as when he showed up knowing nobody, no English, and almost no money. He said he'd call home and his mother would be crying, worrying that he wasn't eating. He said he'd comfort her with "This is AMERICA! There's food and money everywhere!" He said after calming her down, he'd get off the phone with her and then HE'D cry! (because he WAS hungry!)

He said when he and another went in on an efficiency, the woman was unintentionally insulting them by showing them to be careful, that we have hot and cold running water in the sinks (!!!), then took them to the bathroom to show them how the toilet works/flushes!

He's also told me of car dealers here from there who specialize in taking advantage of those who don't know the language. I've told him he should write a book someday to try to convey to people from here all the little trials involved in coming here from somewhere else that we wouldn't think of.

He says his biggest pet peeve is the amount of food he sees people leaving on their plates in restaurants.
 
I think a couple of our biggest problems are being extremely overtaxed, overspending, and being responsible for a national debt and interest on it that most of us had nothing to do with creating. We've been overpaying for fiscal irresponsibility.

I think it's wrong for our government to try to meddle with the economy by thinking there's such a thing as "too much inflation" and artificially pulling good economies back by needlessly jacking up interest rates. That should be criminal. (and, as I've said before, I don't see how robbing our social security trust fund isn't criminal, either. If a certain amount of our social security deductions are a farce, stop taking them from us in the first place.) A business can't get away with charging more for goods and services unless consumers can support it.

Maybe I'd hate inflation if I were part of the dependency class because I might be envious of the people on the receiving end of that inflation.
 
I agree about the need to get rid of dependence on foreign oil and of course conservation is one facit of the problem.

That said my favorite offshore fishing sites are the platforms in the gulf.

They have inspections of new drilling sites regularly to ensure compliance to ecological concerns.

The University near my house is allowing a well or two to be drilled in the parking lot of the Stadium.

Why I've heard they may drill right under my bedroom! LOL
My daughter thought they already were but I just had gas from eating too much cow food. Moooo I always say!

1950's drilling is soooo 1950's.
They can drill in a university parking lot and even upset the neighbors.

When accidents do happen on a local scale as opposed to Katrina mass destruction , they have these little enzymes that only eat petroleum then die off when there is no more food.

Saw a swampy area near New Orleans recently that had a major spill when a gas well was run over by a barge.

A couple months afterwards and the area is as clean and pristine as before.

Old views about drilling are no longer true ,just like polluted rivers and lakes are much cleaner than before because we have the economy and the brains to do things that once were looked on as dirty are now not.

Sixties hippies are dusting off protest signs getting ready to protest two new nuclear plants that applied for permits to build.
They are on hold for now without guarantees from the gov.

Reprocessing has now rendered the leftover nuclear material thirty percent less with the next step to 60 obtainable within ten years.

The leftover material was one of the chief downsides of nuclear power in the US.

Protesters are already after the wind generators for killing birds and even Ted Kennedy won't allow them in his area.
It's all relative but I'm for doing what it takes to cut off funds from this country going to finance our own demise.

I really take exception to that.
Thats why I quit smoking!
It's a dumb practice [ both of them].
 
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Haven't I heard that we actually have more oil over here than what's in the Middle East, that their's is just cheaper to get to first? If that's true then dependency on their oil would eventually take care of itself.
 
Haven't I heard that we actually have more oil over here than what's in the Middle East, that their's is just cheaper to get to first? If that's true then dependency on their oil would eventually take care of itself.

Ron just like Jackee wants we are not alloud to even check for oil off the coast except for Texas , Louisiana , a couple blocks of Alabama and the couple of miles of Mississippi's coast.

Fla gulf coast no, the whole east coast no the whole west coast [ where proven fields lie untouched ] no.

All this banning of drilling came wayyy back in the sixties and early seventy's and was correct at the time.
Drilling was a messy business and little care was taken not to polute the enviornment.

Then came the clean water acts of 1973 and 1989 and suddenly everyone got Religion , or fined for their efforts.

As time went by technology fueled by demand improved and became SOP and LO and Behold Cheaper .

It's now accepted practice and the norm because of the obvious.
A. Fines
B Jail
C. Will not be alloud to remain in busines

Drilling changed and though not really Green , oil is still the best bang for the energy buck .

Drilling changed but no drilling in my backyard mentality leftover from the 50's and 60's is still the rule.

After Katrina Fla. was suddenly cut off from gasoline due to Refinery shutdowns and pipeline problems and I can tell you they were happy to see me arriving in Fort Walton Beach with a few million gallons of go juice.

Makes a fellow feel pretty good to help out that many folks!
This may be the reason for the Ethanol refinery's shutdown.

By EDITH M. LEDERER, Associated Press Writer
Fri Oct 26, 9:04 PM ET



UNITED NATIONS - A U.N. expert on Friday called the growing practice of converting food crops into biofuel "a crime against humanity," saying it is creating food shortages and price jumps that cause millions of poor people to go hungry.

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Jean Ziegler, who has been the United Nations' independent expert on the right to food since the position was established in 2000, called for a five-year moratorium on biofuel production to halt what he called a growing "catastrophe" for the poor.

Scientific research is progressing very quickly, he said, "and in five years it will be possible to make biofuel and biodiesel from agricultural waste" rather than wheat, corn, sugar cane and other food crops.

Using biofuel instead of gasoline in cars is generally considered to cut carbon dioxide emissions, which contribute to global warming, although some scientists say greenhouse gases released during the production of biofuel could offset those gains.

The use of crops for biofuel has being pursued especially in Brazil and the United States.

Last March, President Bush and Brazilian President Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva signed an agreement committing their countries to boosting ethanol production. They said increasing use of alternative fuels would lead to more jobs, a cleaner environment and greater independence from the whims of the oil market.

Ziegler called their motives legitimate, but said that "the effect of transforming hundreds and hundreds of thousands of tons of maize, of wheat, of beans, of palm oil, into agricultural fuel is absolutely catastrophic for the hungry people."

The world price of wheat doubled in one year and the price of corn quadrupled, leaving poor countries, especially in Africa, unable to pay for the imported food needed to feed their people, he said. And poor people in those countries are unable to pay the soaring prices for the food that does come in, he added.

"So it's a crime against humanity" to devote agricultural land to biofuel production, Ziegler said a news conference. "What has to be stopped is ... the growing catastrophe of the massacre (by) hunger in the world," he said.

As an example, he said, it takes 510 pounds of corn to produce 13 gallons of ethanol. That much corn could feed a child in Zambia or Mexico for a year, he said.

Benjamin Chang, a spokesman for the U.S. mission to the United Nations, said the Bush administration didn't consider biofuel development a threat to the poor.

"It's clear we have a commitment to the development of biofuels," he said. "It's also clear that we are committed to combatting poverty and supporting economic development around the world as the leading contributor of overseas development assistance in the world."

Ziegler, a sociology professor at the University of Geneva and the University of the Sorbonne in Paris, presented a report Thursday to the U.N. General Assembly's human rights committee saying a five-year moratorium on biofuel production would allow time for new technologies for using agricultural byproducts instead of food itself.

Researchers are looking at crop residues such as corn cobs, rice husks and banana leaves, he said. "The cultivation of Jatropha Curcas, a shrub that produces large oil-bearing seeds, appears to offer a good solution as it can be grown in arid lands that are not normally suitable for food crops," he said.

Congress gets cudos for once again jumping through their Arse without thinking things through to the logical conclusion.
More demand brings shortages and higher prices.
I was wondering why corn prices are at such low rates.
Where does that leave us the public ?
We now need a new octaine additive really quick! I think.
Thanks Congress!
 
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Wow, 13 gallons of ethanol or feed a kid for a year.

I didn't realize we were that legally restricted from checking for oil, much less drilling for it. Since we do have rigs where we can, that tells me it should be feasible to have them in other places. I bet the extra supply could help drive prices back down for all of us, too.

How many liberals and/or environmentalists meanwhile somehow manage to blame George Bush for not doing something about high gas prices while they're at the same time helping to cause.....high gas prices. Neat trick.
 
Ah Jackee , you who are our eyes and soul have fallen for the great ecological lie.
It just shows you none of us are immune to the BS the far left circulates as the truth.
I could amaze you with facts about Ethanol's properties and performance as well as what is happening to the economy because of it but suffice to say the two largest brand new not completed Ethanol Refineries construction are on hold.

I would tout Hydrogen as I think it is our greatist chance of success.
They are going great guns on building wind generation farms in West Texas [ I went out and visited them a couple of times].

Don't think they will amount to much though.

I've known about the ethanol scam for some time........

Cripes.......even the Tree Huggers don't like it:eek:

http://www.rollingstone.com/politic...e_of_americas_biggest_political_boondoggles/3


REX
 
Ron just like Jackee wants we are not alloud to even check for oil off the coast except for Texas , Louisiana , a couple blocks of Alabama and the couple of miles of Mississippi's coast.

Larry, please do not 'interpret' the plain and simple statements I have made.
What I said has no hidden meaning. Where did I every say I don't want (alloud?) checking for oil off any coast?

What I said is that as a nation, we need to stop our insatiable gluttony for more and more oil by conservation of what we have, increasing our fuel efficiency and using alternative fuel souces.

Also, I am not sure about any ethenol 'scam'.... you may wish to check with Brazil about that one, since 70% of their fuel consumption is from ethenol. I beleive that you can't argue with success, but hey, believe what you want to.

The United States comprises less then 6% of the world population, yet we consume more then 25% of its energy and own 32 % of its automobiles.

Of course, according to our Constitution, we have the 'freedom' to continue doing so. Once again I will state that with freedom comes responsibility.

You can agree or disagree. However, if every nation in the world were to enjoy America's current standard of living, it would take 4 planet Earths, in order to sustain this planets consumption. I don't see that happening any time soon.

Hey... just my opinion. Take it or leave it.
 
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Larry, please do not 'interpret' the plain and simple statements I have made.
What I said has no hidden meaning. Where did I every say I don't want (alloud?) checking for oil off any coast?

What I said is that as a nation, we need to stop our insatiable gluttony for more and more oil by conservation of what we have, increasing our fuel efficiency and using alternative fuel souces.

Also, I am not sure about any ethenol 'scam'.... you may wish to check with Brazil about that one, since 70% of their fuel consumption is from ethenol. I beleive that you can't argue with success, but hey, believe what you want to.

The United States comprises less then 6% of the world population, yet we consume more then 25% of its energy and own 32 % of its automobiles.

Of course, according to our Constitution, we have the 'freedom' to continue doing so. Once again I will state that with freedom comes responsibility.

You can agree or disagree. However, if every nation in the world were to enjoy America's current standard of living, it would take 4 planet Earths, in order to sustain this planets consumption. I don't see that happening any time soon.

Hey... just my opinion. Take it or leave it.

You "said" that drilling for oil has an impact on living creatures.

Very slight as compared to the way it used to be.

However agriculture has a huge impact.

A lot of Brazils forests are disappearing to grow ethanol producing crop.

As in............places where living things USED to live.

No getting around that.

REX
 
Brazil has a lot less cars.

they are also not a "modern industrial society"

No.......I own no SUV.

And no.......I will not stop driving where I need to go.

Plus I own 3 motorcycles..........at least one delivers around 40mpg city.

I drive a truck but I need it for work.......it's my toolbox.

REX
 
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