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Hutch

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MI5 is fighting to contain a rapidly-growing terrorist threat, with at least 30 top-priority plots under investigation, the head of the security service said yesterday.

Dame Eliza Manningham-Buller said Islamic militants linked to al-Qa'eda were recruiting teenagers to carry out suicide attacks and will use chemical, biological or nuclear weapons if they get the chance.

In a rare public speech, she gave a frank and sobering insight into the challenge facing the counter-terrorist agency, which has seen an 80 per cent rise in its casework since January.

Dame Eliza told an invited audience at Queen Mary College, London, that MI5 was monitoring some 200 groupings or networks comprising more than 1,600 individuals ''who are actively engaged in plotting or facilitating, terrorist acts here and overseas".

The nature and gravity of the threat was deepening, fuelled by the rapid radicalisation of young British Muslims – some still at school, yet prepared to join the ranks of the suicide bombers. She said the country faced a sustained and growing threat that ''would last a generation".

Although the MI5 chief normally prefers to stay in the background, Dame Eliza has followed the precedent set by her two predecessors in making the occasional public speech. This was her third since the July 7 bombings in London last year and, with the clearance of the Home Secretary, contained the starkest assessment yet of the dangers facing the country.
She said she was not seeking to be alarmist or deliberately stirring up fear to exaggerate her service's importance though, even with a thousand more officers than it had in 2001, MI5 could argue it remains understaffed because of the labour-intensive nature of its surveillance work. As a result, it was having to prioritise its inquiries on an almost daily basis.

Dame Eliza added: ''Because of the sheer scale of what we face, the task is daunting. We shan't always make the right choices and we recognise that we shall have scarce sympathy if we are unable to prevent one of our targets committing an atrocity."

Although a parliamentary inquiry into the July 7 attacks exonerated MI5 of any intelligence failures, it later emerged that two of the bombers had been known to the service, though only indirectly. But Dame Eliza said hunting the terrorists was not as simple as it appeared on the BBC TV series Spooks where everything was ''(a) knowable and (b) soluble by six people".

While MI5 was recruiting fast in an effort to infiltrate militant groups, this was proving ever more difficult because of the youth of some targets. ''Young teenagers are being groomed to be suicide bombers," she said. ''We are aware of numerous plots to kill people and to damage our economy. What do I mean by numerous? Five? 10? No, nearer 30 – that we know of."

She added: ''These plots often have links back to al-Qa'eda in Pakistan and through those links al-Qa'eda gives guidance and training to its largely British footsoldiers here on an extensive and growing scale."

Dame Eliza said surveys among Muslims suggested there could be as many as 100,000 people who considered that the July 7 atrocities were justified. But finding those who were prepared to cause us harm was difficult ''given the scale and speed of radicalisation and the age of some being radicalised even while still at school".

She added: ''We need to be alert to attempts to radicalise and indoctrinate our youth and to seek to counter it. Radicalising elements within communities are trying to exploit grievances for terrorist purposes; it is the youth who are being actively targeted, groomed, radicalised and sent on a path that frighteningly quickly could end in their involvement in mass murder of their fellow UK citizens or their early death in a suicide attack or on a foreign battlefield.

"I do not speak in this way to alarm, nor as the cynics might claim, to enhance the reputation of my organisation but to give the most frank account I can of the al-Qa'eda threat to the UK.

"The threat is serious, is growing and will, I believe, be with us for a generation.

It is a sustained campaign, not a series of isolated incidents. It aims to wear down our will to resist."

A similar message was being delivered on the other side of London yesterday by Margaret Beckett, the Foreign Secretary.

In a speech to the Royal United Services Institute think-tank, she called on mainstream Muslims to "stand up and be counted" in the struggle against terrorism.

"The Muslim communities in this country did not ask the terrorists to act in their name," she said.

"The vast majority are sickened by the slur on their great and noble faith. They make a huge and vital contribution to the life of this country.

"And they, the Muslim communities, have a special ability to make a difference in the struggle against extremism."

Mrs Beckett said it was "positively dangerous" to give a platform to fringe radicals as if they represented the Muslim community as a whole.

"When the next story about relations between Muslims and non-Muslims in this country hits the headlines, let's look for other voices

than those that represent a tiny minority viewpoint on one side or the other and offer the microphone to measured, mainstream voices who have the credibility and influence to tackle extremist distortions and offer a genuinely more balanced interpretation of events.

"We should let the extremists bark in the night while we, the vast moderate majority, find a common way to defeat them and the terrorism they espouse."

UNFORTUNATELY IN THE UK WE DON'T HAVE THE DEATH PENALTY!!!!:mad: :mad: :mad:
 

Nitro Jim

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John, it really is about time that you stopped believing everything you read or hear via the media... I am not saying that there might not be some truth in what you have posted but getting all racist about it is not politically correct.

I have a notion for you, if the British and US stopped selling arms to Israel then there would be more peace in the Middle East... :eek:
 

Nitrohaulic

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I have a notion for you, if the British and US stopped selling arms to Israel then there would be more peace in the Middle East... :eek:

When? When the Israelis are eliminated?

What did John say that was racist? Looks to me like he's relaying a legitimate concern.

"The vast majority are sickened by the slur on their great and noble faith. They make a huge and vital contribution to the life of this country."
 

sharkman

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John, it really is about time that you stopped believing everything you read or hear via the media... I am not saying that there might not be some truth in what you have posted but getting all racist about it is not politically correct.

I have a notion for you, if the British and US stopped selling arms to Israel then there would be more peace in the Middle East... :eek:

Saaay What???? Lets let them eliminate Israel and Christianity then they will work on thier own "sects" untill the last one is standing, The Shiites against the Sunni's and visa versa????? Thats as bad as the Baptists blowing up the Catholics, this isnt just Muslims against Christians. This Jihad is real, this isn't racist, this is far worse. they won't stop untill Christianity is elminated.
 

rocketman

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Look at whats going on in France. Those people are still burning about 100 cars per day! Wonder why the news media over looks the obvious.
 

Nitrohaulic

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And just like the Taliban intentionally misinterpreting the Koran to illiterates, it isn't even really about religion. Just one more in a long list of examples throughout history of religion being used to control people in order for a few to attain power.
 

UK_Nitro

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MI5 is fighting to contain a rapidly-growing terrorist threat, with at least 30 top-priority plots under investigation, the head of the security service said yesterday.

Dame Eliza Manningham-Buller said Islamic militants linked to al-Qa'eda were recruiting teenagers to carry out suicide attacks and will use chemical, biological or nuclear weapons if they get the chance.

In a rare public speech, she gave a frank and sobering insight into the challenge facing the counter-terrorist agency, which has seen an 80 per cent rise in its casework since January.

Dame Eliza told an invited audience at Queen Mary College, London, that MI5 was monitoring some 200 groupings or networks comprising more than 1,600 individuals ''who are actively engaged in plotting or facilitating, terrorist acts here and overseas".

The nature and gravity of the threat was deepening, fuelled by the rapid radicalisation of young British Muslims – some still at school, yet prepared to join the ranks of the suicide bombers. She said the country faced a sustained and growing threat that ''would last a generation".

Although the MI5 chief normally prefers to stay in the background, Dame Eliza has followed the precedent set by her two predecessors in making the occasional public speech. This was her third since the July 7 bombings in London last year and, with the clearance of the Home Secretary, contained the starkest assessment yet of the dangers facing the country.
She said she was not seeking to be alarmist or deliberately stirring up fear to exaggerate her service's importance though, even with a thousand more officers than it had in 2001, MI5 could argue it remains understaffed because of the labour-intensive nature of its surveillance work. As a result, it was having to prioritise its inquiries on an almost daily basis.

Dame Eliza added: ''Because of the sheer scale of what we face, the task is daunting. We shan't always make the right choices and we recognise that we shall have scarce sympathy if we are unable to prevent one of our targets committing an atrocity."

Although a parliamentary inquiry into the July 7 attacks exonerated MI5 of any intelligence failures, it later emerged that two of the bombers had been known to the service, though only indirectly. But Dame Eliza said hunting the terrorists was not as simple as it appeared on the BBC TV series Spooks where everything was ''(a) knowable and (b) soluble by six people".

While MI5 was recruiting fast in an effort to infiltrate militant groups, this was proving ever more difficult because of the youth of some targets. ''Young teenagers are being groomed to be suicide bombers," she said. ''We are aware of numerous plots to kill people and to damage our economy. What do I mean by numerous? Five? 10? No, nearer 30 – that we know of."

She added: ''These plots often have links back to al-Qa'eda in Pakistan and through those links al-Qa'eda gives guidance and training to its largely British footsoldiers here on an extensive and growing scale."

Dame Eliza said surveys among Muslims suggested there could be as many as 100,000 people who considered that the July 7 atrocities were justified. But finding those who were prepared to cause us harm was difficult ''given the scale and speed of radicalisation and the age of some being radicalised even while still at school".

She added: ''We need to be alert to attempts to radicalise and indoctrinate our youth and to seek to counter it. Radicalising elements within communities are trying to exploit grievances for terrorist purposes; it is the youth who are being actively targeted, groomed, radicalised and sent on a path that frighteningly quickly could end in their involvement in mass murder of their fellow UK citizens or their early death in a suicide attack or on a foreign battlefield.

"I do not speak in this way to alarm, nor as the cynics might claim, to enhance the reputation of my organisation but to give the most frank account I can of the al-Qa'eda threat to the UK.

"The threat is serious, is growing and will, I believe, be with us for a generation.

It is a sustained campaign, not a series of isolated incidents. It aims to wear down our will to resist."

A similar message was being delivered on the other side of London yesterday by Margaret Beckett, the Foreign Secretary.

In a speech to the Royal United Services Institute think-tank, she called on mainstream Muslims to "stand up and be counted" in the struggle against terrorism.

"The Muslim communities in this country did not ask the terrorists to act in their name," she said.

"The vast majority are sickened by the slur on their great and noble faith. They make a huge and vital contribution to the life of this country.

"And they, the Muslim communities, have a special ability to make a difference in the struggle against extremism."

Mrs Beckett said it was "positively dangerous" to give a platform to fringe radicals as if they represented the Muslim community as a whole.

"When the next story about relations between Muslims and non-Muslims in this country hits the headlines, let's look for other voices

than those that represent a tiny minority viewpoint on one side or the other and offer the microphone to measured, mainstream voices who have the credibility and influence to tackle extremist distortions and offer a genuinely more balanced interpretation of events.

"We should let the extremists bark in the night while we, the vast moderate majority, find a common way to defeat them and the terrorism they espouse."

UNFORTUNATELY IN THE UK WE DON'T HAVE THE DEATH PENALTY!!!!:mad: :mad: :mad:

So John is back with Mr C&P in tow...

Please tell me what your opinion on the situation is John? Not the BBC news websites report.

As you will know, the law is not really too worried about criminals in our country they are more after a quick buck with speed camera fines and the like. You can go out now and assault someone and pretty much guarantee when you go to court it will be a suspened sentance. There is not enough room in our prisons for these people so thats why there being monitored at the moment rather than slammed down as you like.

The Muslims and various other religions in our country are no more dangerous than the ones in other countries, just because we have the balls to expose there beleifs makes us look more dangerous and at least we are trying to resolve the problem rather than cover it up and pretend all is rosy. The thing that gets the goverments back up with it all is the fact they dont understand the different cultures our country has so its a lot easier to tar them with the same brush, and by the look of what you put it seems to be rubbing off on the public too. Out of all people John i thought you would understand the innocent until proven guilty theory...

I read Newcastle is a very good breeding ground for terrorists due to all the abandoned warehouses? You haven't seen any suspicious looking Muslims on your travels John?

The fact of the matter is, there will always fro terrorism as religion is one big war that the world will never resolve. So do you think its better we know about them and there beleifs or just pretend they dont exist like we have over the years...

Over to you John and I'm sorry if that post offends anybody but i am afraid to say it's probably more true than you know...
 

Nitrohaulic

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Not you guys too with the quick bucks via speeding? :D

There's no such thing as following too closely or changing lanes too closely in front of anyone anymore over here (hell, you can watch the cops, themselves, do it).

Be in the wrong place when he or she pushes the button? Wooh! You criminal, you!
 

Larry

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Schools Smools , We are paying via minority funding for the Muslim teaching in many states penitentiary's for the recruitment of the worst of the worst , who just happen to have a chip on their shoulder against the US for putting them in jail.
Talk about a captive audience !
Under freedom of Religion nothing can be done about it except note the participants.
Seems they love using our freedom against us to conduct their Jihad!
 

UK_Nitro

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Not you guys too with the quick bucks via speeding? :D

There's no such thing as following too closely or changing lanes too closely in front of anyone anymore over here (hell, you can watch the cops, themselves, do it).

Be in the wrong place when he or she pushes the button? Wooh! You criminal, you!

John has more experience with the justice system than I do, maybe he can leave you some information about how it works.
 
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