Southwest Airlines kicks hot chicks off it's flights.

[Tom]

This is the number one problem with this country nowadays: Too many people are too worried about what someone else is doing instead of minding their own business.

 

[Ted]

This is the number one problem with this country nowadays: Too many people are too worried about what someone else is doing instead of minding their own business.

BING! BING! BING! -We've got a winner!!

 

[Nitrohaulic]

This is the number one problem with this country nowadays: Too many people are too worried about what someone else is doing instead of minding their own business.

I can respect opinions on either side of it without disrespecting the people who have them.

I think it's an interesting topic and that Bobby makes a very valid point about the pasties. I could walk into Walmart with a pair of swimming trunks on without being noticed too awful much. If I went in with exactly the same amount of material on, but it was a pair of Fruit of the Looms? I'd expect to be thrown out or even arrested.

I remember when a lot more businesses had their "We reserve the right to refuse service..." signs. Always figured that posting the sign enabled them to exercise some kind of legal loophole but, I don't think they should be forced to do business with anyone they don't want to. I think if a business goes overboard and refused service due to, for example, someone's skin color, it should be allowed to and that the overall market would punish it by taking their business elsewhere.

The flipside is you'd allow a biz to avoid having to deal with actual a**holes. I was in an Autozone several weeks ago and the guy in front of me and his father were blasting away at the counter guy. After he told them where to get their part, they asked him an additional question that he didn't hear, so he helped the next person. These people were convinced and swore up and down to the guy that he did it on purpose, when HE'S telling them that he did not hear them. I couldn't take it and jumped in, asking them why in the world he would care to intentionally do that to them, along with a few other choice words. The counter guy greatly appreciated me telling them what he wasn't allowed to (getting me a huge manager's discount on my parts! Ha!).

 

["Dr. Dirt"]

This is the number one problem with this country nowadays: Too many people are too worried about what someone else is doing instead of minding their own business.

Number ONE problem with THIS COUNTRY????? That's strong stuff!

Let's turn your statement a bit and see if it still fits:

Too many people aren't worried enough about their own actions despite their ultimate effect on others. You see, when our choices effect others (especially when it's negatively) we should be more cautions with them.

I don't doubt you share your point of view with the majority. I"ve learned that what may be offensive to someone may also be exciting and even awesome to another. This woman's dress may be the epitome of that statement. I just happen to believe morals, integrity or obedience to laws define our true character. I also believe we'll all. one day, answer for our choices in such matters. I understand if you disagree as well. Most will.

 

[Tom]

Number ONE problem with THIS COUNTRY????? That's strong stuff!

Let's turn your statement a bit and see if it still fits:

Too many people aren't worried enough about their own actions despite their ultimate effect on others. You see, when our choices effect others (especially when it's negatively) we should be more cautions with them.

I don't doubt you share your point of view with the majority. I"ve learned that what may be offensive to someone may also be exciting and even awesome to another. This woman's dress may be the epitome of that statement. I just happen to believe morals, integrity or obedience to laws define our true character. I also believe we'll all. one day, answer for our choices in such matters. I understand if you disagree as well. Most will.

Yeah, number one problem. You know why? Nobody wants to take personal responsibility for their actions. Instead, they want to point their crooked little fingers at someone else and declare that the "Emperor has no clothes" when in fact they themselves are naked. People live in their little glass houses (or SUV's) and act like total assholes and to justify their behavior, they cast stones at someone else. It's the same reason I don't go to Church. I hear all too often the justification for being a complete prick to people "*I* go to Church!". So what? It doesn't change the fact that you're acting like a tool to people just because you go to a place with a cross on it once a week. It's bullshit.

Look, if you don't care for mini skirts and halter tops, that is your perogative, but unless you want someone criticizing your choices in clothing, religion, beliefs, etc., then don't criticize others, that's all I am saying. Just mind your own and worry about yourself and your loved ones. If you don't want your daughter dressing like a whore in public, put a top to it. But if someone else wants to dress that way, THAT IS THEIR RIGHT!! Many people have fought for that right and I will fight it to the death if asked to. It's one of the freedoms we as American's enjoy.

In other words, if everyone worried about what they're doing (read: minding their own business and looking out for their own behavior) then a lot of these ridiculous society problems would disappear. Just like no one would give a shit about society sluts like Paris Hilton and Lindsey Lohan and the way they act if people would quit paying them so much attention.

Trust me, with soldiers dying over seas in a sandy shithole to fight for the freedoms of people to wear what they want and don't even make the news any more and crap like this does, what does that say about the priorities of this country? It makes me want to puke.

 

[Joker]

Personally, I didnt think it was too bad. Now would I want my wife or daughter dressed like that? No, not at all. Some of these young women like to dress like that, yes its for attention, but as far as I'm concerned if she wasnt showing anything no big deal. Its her decision to dress like that, its your decision whether your going to pay her any attention or not. To me, there's no difference in seeing a women in bra and panties than in a bikini so whats the big deal. Thats just how I look at it.

I will say this though, I'd damn sure rather sit beside her than the 400lb stinking ass wildebeast with scraggly matted hair and dirty stained clothes that she's had on since Clinton was in office that they set me next too on my flight to Dallas last year.

 

[n/a]

Yeah, number one problem. You know why? Nobody wants to take personal responsibility for their actions. Instead, they want to point their crooked little fingers at someone else and declare that the "Emperor has no clothes" when in fact they themselves are naked. People live in their little glass houses (or SUV's) and act like total assholes and to justify their behavior, they cast stones at someone else. It's the same reason I don't go to Church. I hear all too often the justification for being a complete prick to people "*I* go to Church!". So what? It doesn't change the fact that you're acting like a tool to people just because you go to a place with a cross on it once a week. It's bullshit.

Look, if you don't care for mini skirts and halter tops, that is your perogative, but unless you want someone criticizing your choices in clothing, religion, beliefs, etc., then don't criticize others, that's all I am saying. Just mind your own and worry about yourself and your loved ones. If you don't want your daughter dressing like a whore in public, put a top to it. But if someone else wants to dress that way, THAT IS THEIR RIGHT!! Many people have fought for that right and I will fight it to the death if asked to. It's one of the freedoms we as American's enjoy.

In other words, if everyone worried about what they're doing (read: minding their own business and looking out for their own behavior) then a lot of these ridiculous society problems would disappear. Just like no one would give a shit about society sluts like Paris Hilton and Lindsey Lohan and the way they act if people would quit paying them so much attention.

Trust me, with soldiers dying over seas in a sandy shithole to fight for the freedoms of people to wear what they want and don't even make the news any more and crap like this does, what does that say about the priorities of this country? It makes me want to puke.

Tom,nice work,you said it prefectly.

 

[Jim]

It may appeal to you but I'll have to ask, is this what you hope your wife, daughter, and grandaughter dresses like?

Not at all. But neither would I hope for them to dress like Amish women. That does not mean I want to stop all women from dressing like Amish women.

Jim

 

[Nitrohaulic]

This is the number one problem with this country nowadays: Too many people are too worried about what someone else is doing instead of minding their own business.

Yeah, number one problem. You know why? Nobody wants to take personal responsibility for their actions. Instead, they want to point their crooked little fingers at someone else and declare that the "Emperor has no clothes" when in fact they themselves are naked. People live in their little glass houses (or SUV's) and act like total assholes and to justify their behavior, they cast stones at someone else. It's the same reason I don't go to Church. I hear all too often the justification for being a complete prick to people "*I* go to Church!". So what? It doesn't change the fact that you're acting like a tool to people just because you go to a place with a cross on it once a week. It's bullshit.

Look, if you don't care for mini skirts and halter tops, that is your perogative, but unless you want someone criticizing your choices in clothing, religion, beliefs, etc., then don't criticize others, that's all I am saying. Just mind your own and worry about yourself and your loved ones. If you don't want your daughter dressing like a whore in public, put a top to it. But if someone else wants to dress that way, THAT IS THEIR RIGHT!! Many people have fought for that right and I will fight it to the death if asked to. It's one of the freedoms we as American's enjoy.

In other words, if everyone worried about what they're doing (read: minding their own business and looking out for their own behavior) then a lot of these ridiculous society problems would disappear. Just like no one would give a shit about society sluts like Paris Hilton and Lindsey Lohan and the way they act if people would quit paying them so much attention.

Trust me, with soldiers dying over seas in a sandy shithole to fight for the freedoms of people to wear what they want and don't even make the news any more and crap like this does, what does that say about the priorities of this country? It makes me want to puke.

It looks to me like you're doing what you're complaining about. You're worried about what Bobby is doing while complaining that he's worried about what others are doing.

Yeah, "number one problem" definitely looks like personal opinion stated as fact to me. My "personal opinion" as to number one problem would probably be more like "a general public that's been brainwashed by a media that votes Democrat by about 90%." It's the reason the same people in favor of higher taxes on the "rich" (employers) complain when they don't get a raise. It's the reason most Americans probably think there was something wrong with George Bush's ANG record because the Dan Rathers simply hammered away at it but, aren't even aware that a proven liar ran againt him in the last election.

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Bobby's giving you his opinion. He doesn't say he expects everyone to agree with him. He expected to be disrespected when he posted it, and he was right. Do you see him telling you that you shouldn't have an opinion or even express it? What did he say above?

I just happen to believe morals, integrity or obedience to laws define our true character.

The man at least gave you "or obedience to laws" as a last option. Did you miss that? Maybe you should try qualifying some of what you say with "I believe" instead of stating personal opinion as fact, as Bobby does. You seem to be the one hardlining what he should and shouldn't be able to believe, even if it has to do with others, while expecting to have the right to do so, yourself, of course.

He's a very intelligent man who has reasons for what he believes. I don't share all of his beliefs but, I couldn't respect him more.

 

["Dr. Dirt"]

I think these moral issues are way more important than the general populous believes. It's my opinion that we can adhere to time-tested moral values and find greater happiness. That being said, it's crystal clear that the majority disagrees with me. Our society has rationalized moral misconduct to the point of mandating it's acceptance in the name of one freedom or another as clearly demonstrated in some posts above. It's all around me and I'm not stupid enough to deny it. I just feel it's my responsibility to live in this world without being OF this world. I don't have to follow or accept things as they are. Oh, and when I'm in Rome, I don't act as the Romans do either. I'm just funny that way.

So, I'll live my life and raise my family according to standards and beliefs as expressed by the likes of our founding fathers as well as the prophets of old and adhere to the counsels given by the scriptures as best I can (recognizing my own many imperfections) and stand up, or speak out to protect what I deem important to our society's existence. Don't think for a moment that I'm not aware how differing my life choices are than most of society's on this matter.

I'm in awe at the masses that have rationalized themselves away from traditional morality but I'm not surprised.

 

[TJ]

Bobby.....I understand you and we live very similiar lives in regards to parenting but to expect most here, that enjoy seeing 'eye candy' threads, to understand what you are saying is next to impossible...
Keep up the good work....

 

[vegasnitro]

The number one problem in America right now is the disentegration of the family unit. From a sociological perspective, it is the true legacy of WW2. Once "Rosy the Riveter" got out of the kitchen and into the work place, she wasn't going back when the boys came home. Secondly, many of those folks moved to large cities when the boys came home, transforming us from an agricultural/manufacturing based society, to a consumer/service driven economy within a generation. Suddenly, both parents are working to support this consumer based economy, and the kids are left to their own devices, that is if the parents even stay married. The net effect 60 years later is people feel absolved from their own actions because everyone tells them nothing is their fault, so the people act according to this dictum. Marriage hit a rough patch? Not your fault just get a divorce. Get hooked on drugs and wind up in jail or rehab? Not your fault, Mommy and/or Daddy just didn't love you enough when you were a child. And so on and so on .....

 

[Nitrohaulic]

The number one problem in America right now is the disentegration of the family unit. From a sociological perspective, it is the true legacy of WW2. Once "Rosy the Riveter" got out of the kitchen and into the work place, she wasn't going back when the boys came home. Secondly, many of those folks moved to large cities when the boys came home, transforming us from an agricultural/manufacturing based society, to a consumer/service driven economy within a generation. Suddenly, both parents are working to support this consumer based economy, and the kids are left to their own devices, that is if the parents even stay married. The net effect 60 years later is people feel absolved from their own actions because everyone tells them nothing is their fault, so the people act according to this dictum. Marriage hit a rough patch? Not your fault just get a divorce. Get hooked on drugs and wind up in jail or rehab? Not your fault, Mommy and/or Daddy just didn't love you enough when you were a child. And so on and so on .....

What starts in the big cities does seem to eventually evolve into growing outward. The northeast consumes much more than it produces. If you're in the trucking business, you can always make very good money going to the northeast from practically any other part of the country. You'd BETTER make your money going in, though. Once you're up there, everyone wants out and everybody knows it, so the rates are accordingly.

The automotive industry seems to have gone the other way, though. A lot of plants have opened in the south and I'm not so sure that it's for cheaper labor since I'm pretty sure they're still union. I'm sure the labor for all the suppliers they farm the production of parts out to is cheaper but, so are living expenses.

As far as the topic of this thread goes, I don't see Bobby expressing how he thinks people should be forced to live. He expresses his beliefs, then people tell him he's the number one problem in this country. If Bobby's a problem, then we don't have enough problems.

As far as women going into the workforce goes, I think families looking for an edge/a way to get ahead is also a natural part of our evolution, and that it would have happened, anyways. Yeah, eventually it gets to the point that everything adjusts and there is no edge/it's needed just to be on par with everyone else. A landlord is going to charge whatever he thinks the market will bear, just as that's the correct thing for every business to do. If someone pays it, he was correct. The people who complain when a business makes a profit aren't going to be there to help when they close their doors. If you want to get ahead, I don't think there's ever going to be a substitute for working smarter, harder, and/or longer, no matter how competitive it gets.

I still think much more of the problem lies in the outgo instead of the income. I've read that when you add up all the ways, about fifty cents of every dollar goes to taxes. I go into the northeast where they're absolutely raped for them, and the roads beat the hell out of you. They save a buck by putting in patches that don't work instead of repaving/rebuilding them. The discoloration in the road just shows you where the bad bumps are.

 

[Bobby]

Wow what did I start. If the media actually reported the whole story , instead of just enough to create an interesting story, we might not have to be arguing. But please , how can you see her crotch when she's in an airplane seat? What is the big deal here? All the print media talked about was how she was dressed. Southwest let her back on the plane so I take it they admitted her dress did not violate any law or their policies.
Imagine trying to squeeze into an airline seat without that skirt hiking up . Must be difficult. Not exactly a smart choice of attire. So maybe that's what happened. But should she be kicked off the plane because someone might see her panties oh horror of horrors.

I saw this guy in the Tour de France this year. He crashed, tore his pants,had to ride several miles with one of his butt cheeks hanging out. Should he have been arrested? Good thing he was in France and not here. We'd probably make him drop out of the race to put some pants on.

I just don't get the whole idea of shame about our bodies. But then again, I spend 10 hours a week in lycra pants that look like I got a diaper underneath em.

 

[Tom]

I think these moral issues are way more important than the general populous believes. It's my opinion that we can adhere to time-tested moral values and find greater happiness. That being said, it's crystal clear that the majority disagrees with me. Our society has rationalized moral misconduct to the point of mandating it's acceptance in the name of one freedom or another as clearly demonstrated in some posts above. It's all around me and I'm not stupid enough to deny it. I just feel it's my responsibility to live in this world without being OF this world. I don't have to follow or accept things as they are. Oh, and when I'm in Rome, I don't act as the Romans do either. I'm just funny that way.

So, I'll live my life and raise my family according to standards and beliefs as expressed by the likes of our founding fathers as well as the prophets of old and adhere to the counsels given by the scriptures as best I can (recognizing my own many imperfections) and stand up, or speak out to protect what I deem important to our society's existence. Don't think for a moment that I'm not aware how differing my life choices are than most of society's on this matter.

I'm in awe at the masses that have rationalized themselves away from traditional morality but I'm not surprised.

Bobby, with all due respect, personal moral beliefs are in the eye of the beholder.

 

["Dr. Dirt"]

Bobby, with all due respect, personal moral beliefs are in the eye of the beholder.

You have proven my point! Well said Tom!

I"m betting my life (and far beyond) that adhering to the aforementioned principals are of vital importance. I further believe all mankind to be in the same boat. Yes. Yes, I know, many of you don't subscribe to the same theory. It doesn't take a Sherlock Holmes to figure that out-heck, Larry Holmes could do it.

 

[DLB]

Doc - Well said.

It all boils down to this.

Most men today have an unhealthy appetite for adultery.
Where am I basing that from?
Some religious garbage that none of you want to hear.
It's from some certain place in some certain book and goes something like "whoever looks at a woman and lusts after her has already commited adultery with her in his heart."

Like I said Doc - most men just like seeing half naked or naked women, you attack that, and they get offended. Just let them keep their sin close to their heart, and they will be fine. Sad part is, in hell they will no longer be able to enjoy anything. Wish people would listen sometimes. But hey, we're the wacko's.

DLB

 

[Bobby]

Doc - Well said.

It all boils down to this.

Most men today have an unhealthy appetite for adultery.
Where am I basing that from?
Some religious garbage that none of you want to hear.
It's from some certain place in some certain book and goes something like "whoever looks at a woman and lusts after her has already commited adultery with her in his heart."

Like I said Doc - most men just like seeing half naked or naked women, you attack that, and they get offended. Just let them keep their sin close to their heart, and they will be fine. Sad part is, in hell they will no longer be able to enjoy anything. Wish people would listen sometimes. But hey, we're the wacko's.

DLB

just because I like to look at the mona lisa doesn't mean I 'm buying a copy to bring home.
to automatically think 'sex' just because a women is not covering her body strikes me as just plain immature. women are made to be attractive. we look. they smile. we go home. TO OUR WIVES.

I want to hear all these adultery stories , cuz really outside of a few prominent preachers and politicians I 'm not aware of that going on with anyone I know in my life.

 

["Dr. Dirt"]

I want to hear all these adultery stories , cuz really outside of a few prominent preachers and politicians I 'm not aware of that going on with anyone I know in my life.

Yankster, we've been on opposite sides of lots of discussions and I respect your opinion as well as your right to express it. That being said, we'll, once again, take opposite sides of this debate. Here's some sobering statistics:


Nearly four in 10 young women become pregnant at least once before they reach the age of 20-nearly one million a year Eight in ten of these pregnancies are unintended and 79 percent are to unmarried teens.

One of every 3 girls has had sex by age 16, 2 out of 3 by age 18. Two of 3 boys have had sex by age 18.

Fewer than half of high school students have had sex.

Teen mothers are less likely to complete high school, (only one-third receive a high school diploma) and more likely to end up on welfare (nearly 80 percent of unmarried teen mothers end up on welfare).

The United States has the highest rates of teen pregnancy and births in the western industrialized world. Teen pregnancy costs the United States at least $7 billion annually.

A majority of both girls and boys who are sexually active wish they had waited. Eight in ten girls and six in ten boys say they wish they had waited until they were older to have sex.

The younger a teen aged girl is when she has sex for the first time, the more likely she is to have had unwanted or non-voluntary sex. Close to four in ten girls who had first intercourse at 13 or 14 report it was either non-voluntary or unwanted.

Just a decade ago, this wasn't the case. The more staggering statistic is in extramarital affairs and the resultant divorce rate. The bottom line in my eyes is that the Lord has clearly spoken His will in the clearest of commandments (not suggestions.) Some of the benefits of adhering to His words and living w/complete marital fidelity are having happy-complete families, freedom from STDs, only wanted pregnancies, trust in relationships, and the blessings of God himself. I find that hard to deny? Of course, there are a myriad of other reasons for marital failure but none more devastating to the family unit. I personally believe Satan himself appreciates such a breach of this simple commandment. It sure seems to further his cause.

Morality will never go out of style! Ever! It's fruits are too numerous and valuable!

 

[Tom]

So...with that logic, this particular young lady was asking to be a raped, knocked up high school dropout heathen by wearing a mini skirt on a plane?

I call bulls--t.