Regarding edwards, krisher 2nd rd.

[BigDaddyB]

Re: Starting line issues

I agree you need to have a starter, someone who is in charge period. It is not an easy job, but a lot of people don't like Rick Stewart and have never felt he could fill Busters shoes. In racing sh**t happens.

Rick

You know that is a good attitude to have until sh__t happens to you. An then it takes on a whole new concept of right and wrong.

 

[TR]

Re: Starting line issues

You know that is a good attitude to have until sh__t happens to you. An then it takes on a whole new concept of right and wrong.

You are right there, but hopefully through time the sh**t gets evenly distributed to all. If you are the one that gets the bad deals all the time, then yes that would change your attitude, I think you are probably referring to the fender problem last year with Edwards, so yeah maybe the karma wheel is hitting him a little hard right now.

Rick

 

[JB3]

If guys look at the replay of the 2nd round, you will see Steward telling the tower that there was a long amber. Why was not something done then. It was caught on espn3 don't know if ESPN2 would have let that be heard. He knew it was jack up.

IMO ... that's part of the problem. In order to enhance the ESPN experience (ratings), so much technology has been added that it creates so much opportunity for Monday morning QB's. Alot of what ESPN has begun showing with thier new cameras should not be allowed. Alot of it shows stuff that no normal veiwer or fan in the stand would ever detect including this "tree issue". As well, microphones and cameras should not be allowed to analyze the actual execution of the event.

On the ESPN3 live coverage, you could actually hear Rick Stewart tell the Tower that the amber was real long. This should not be allowed and, in the wrong circumstances, could be used in legal activity. Viewers and fans should not be priveleged to any internal communications/footage dealing with the event function itself. We may want to know, but it is not our right. We all want 100% accuracy all the time, but its just not realistic and the Human element is a part of that as others have stated. Without Human control of a Drag race ... someone else may get injured or killed as a direct result of automated control. Hell, even NFL instant replay doesn't provide what some perceive as the correct call all the time. It's part of the decision making process.

From where I sit, I wouldn't necessarily re-run anything unless true root cause of the problem can be determined. That said, a re-run would have been justified in this specific instance.

NHRA and ESPN need to be careful just how far they go in trying to enhance the TV experience. My guess is that this incident may lead to some immediate changes in broadcast coverage.

I could go either way on this ... it's just my $.02

 

[Rat]

It's probably getting real close for you to find another sport to follow, huh Patrick???

Not at all Lance. What business doesn't have problems? Unlike most businesses they don't really make the right attempts to fix problems and are commonly way too late to correct.

I have an opinion just like anyone else so I don't need to be singled out here. Am I wrong about this? Even when the nitro round has an issue they have done reruns after usually the ps round. These guys never got what they deserved, a rerun. NHRA should at least give Edwards back the cost of the run now. I know that Pro-stock typically is more of a market on the east coast and nitro usually wins the west coast, but it's sometimes seems like the nhra puts tf/fc at the forefront and forget about pro stock. I think that most people do not realize that it costs a ps team as much as a nitro team if not triple to run the full tour with a chance at the title.

 

[BigDaddyB]

IMO ... that's part of the problem. In order to enhance the ESPN experience (ratings), so much technology has been added that it creates so much opportunity for Monday morning QB's. Alot of what ESPN has begun showing with thier new cameras should not be allowed. Alot of it shows stuff that no normal veiwer or fan in the stand would ever detect including this "tree issue". As well, microphones and cameras should not be allowed to analyze the actual execution of the event.

On the ESPN3 live coverage, you could actually hear Rick Stewart tell the Tower that the amber was real long. This should not be allowed and, in the wrong circumstances, could be used in legal activity. Viewers and fans should not be priveleged to any internal communications/footage dealing with the event function itself. We may want to know, but it is not our right. We all want 100% accuracy all the time, but its just not realistic and the Human element is a part of that as others have stated. Without Human control of a Drag race ... someone else may get injured or killed as a direct result of automated control. Hell, even NFL instant replay doesn't provide what some perceive as the correct call all the time. It's part of the decision making process.

From where I sit, I wouldn't necessarily re-run anything unless true root cause of the problem can be determined. That said, a re-run would have been justified in this specific instance.

NHRA and ESPN need to be careful just how far they go in trying to enhance the TV experience. My guess is that this incident may lead to some immediate changes in broadcast coverage.

I could go either way on this ... it's just my $.02

Jim,

I beg to differ with your opinion. What the technology does is make humans better at doing their job. In the replays you have in football and basketball they make a difference when someone either missed the call or could not visually make the call. In this instance this deals with human behavior not what technology was able to give the audience. If Steward knew that something had gone wrong it was about him making it right. Now if he did not want to make the call then the event director should step in make the call. Everybody was aware that something went down. To totally do nothing is wrong. Please give an explanation to Mr. Edwards. The age old saying is true, "Don't P___ down my back and tell me its raining". That's exactly what happen in this whole deal.

 

[my friends call me Zappy]

If guys look at the replay of the 2nd round, you will see Steward telling the tower that there was a long amber. QUOTE]

If the "OFFICAL" starter said there was a tree problem, then WHO made the call NOT to do a re-run???

If yer not going to listen to your starter, what good is he??? Automate.

 

[mick]

anyone know how often timing/tree problems like this crop up during
multitude of sportsmen runs during nat. event weekend?

this edwards/krisher episode was front and center, pro racing on tv
so it produces all this discussion.........how often does this really happen?
was it gainesville related? or the same equip. that travels to every race?

 

[BigDaddyB]

anyone know how often timing/tree problems like this crop up during
multitude of sportsmen runs during nat. event weekend?

this edwards/krisher episode was front and center, pro racing on tv
so it produces all this discussion.........how often does this really happen?
was it gainesville related? or the same equip. that travels to every race?

Mike even if its human or mechanical problems there should be safeguards or procedures to make it fair for the competitor. To say to Mike hey just bite the bullet is bit much especially when in previous run you had just run a 6.51. An even if you run 6.53 in this run you stand a chance of advancing. Just say oh well is not good enough.

 

[mick]

Mike even if its human or mechanical problems there should be safeguards or procedures to make it fair for the competitor. To say to Mike hey just bite the bullet is bit much especially when in previous run you had just run a 6.51. An even if you run 6.53 in this run you stand a chance of advancing. Just say oh well is not good enough.

bruce,
why are you quoting me when your comments have nothing to do with what
i said - i am only asking if this problem is more prevalent than just a rare
occurrence; my question has nothing to do with how fast a car ran or
might run or to ask a competitior to 'bite the bullet'.
if this problem is more prevalent, then what is the fix.
if this problem was an anomaly, then someone is the unfortunate benefactor.

 

[J]

Maybe the iceman needs to go??? Remember the Tony S situation at the startling line at finals? Need to get some younger blood down there,i mean he looks like a little kid pouting when there is a staging duel.

 

[BigDaddyB]

Mick,

I mean no disrespect and only addressed your question. One failure of the system is to much whether it be PRO or Sportsman. Now the problem did not reappear thru out the whole event. So that leads me to believe that it was human error. Now in any other sport when timing issues arise the powers to be make an effort to correct it and make it right for every competitor. The vast number of post on this thread agree that there should have been a rerun between Krisher and Edwards. My question is, why did the powers to be elect not to rerun the race? I think that an explanation is due Mike Edwards and also the fans. Now we here in this forum get to hash it out, rehash, turn over and flip it upside down but I guess it was not such a big deal to Mr. Edwards because there is no public comment from him or on his behalf. So all I want as a fan is for the system to work not be dysfunctional.

 

[twostep]

My question is, why did the powers to be elect not to rerun the race? I think that an explanation is due Mike Edwards and also the fans.

NHRA, if they respond at all, will explain that the problem wasn't serious enough in nature to warrant a rerun. They'll point to the fact that Krisher launched correctly and successfully completed the run, and that Edwards could have done the same thing - but on his own chose to abort out of fear of damaging his engine.

That's not quite how I see it, but I'll guarantee you that's how they see it.

 

[JB3]

My question is, why did the powers to be elect not to rerun the race? I think that an explanation is due Mike Edwards and also the fans.

WHAT?? Bruce ... sorry, but nobody owes you sqaut !! You have no idea if there were other tree issues that weekend. As someone stated earlier, things happen with the timing system way more often than you'll probably ever know. If this happened in Stock ... there would not be a single discussion on this board. But since it was a Pro, once again some rabid fans here feel they are owed some type of response and formal report from NNRA.

Like you said ... Mike Edwards doesn't seem so worried about it. Maybe you should find something a little more important to worry about.

 

[JB3]

Maybe the iceman needs to go??? Remember the Tony S situation at the startling line at finals? Need to get some younger blood down there,i mean he looks like a little kid pouting when there is a staging duel.

Just brilliant Jeremy ... then you must know exactly what happened, right? Opinions like yours are just laughable ... get a clue, please!! Maybe you should submit your resume to NHRA genius

 

[cantdrive55]

One can only wonder what kind of respose would be in store if this had happened to Force and Hight in round 1. Nice of NHRA/ESPN to not show the entire staging process on the ESPN2 broadcast.

 

[Bullard Anderson]

There are a lot of scenarios that could have taken place in the matchup that could have made this more testy. What if Krisher red lit , slapped the wall, crossed the center line, or did blow his motor while going down the track while Edwards sat on the line. If may sound dumb to write but these are the things the NHRA has to think about in the decision process, then a staged Edwards becomes the benefactor. I think they have to evaluate all scenarios before a future ruling or giving a response. If Krisher held at the line or the tree were shutdown all could have been avoided. The question for me is: What does the NHRA do if this happens again.

 

[BigDaddyB]

WHAT?? Bruce ... sorry, but nobody owes you sqaut !! You have no idea if there were other tree issues that weekend. As someone stated earlier, things happen with the timing system way more often than you'll probably ever know. If this happened in Stock ... there would not be a single discussion on this board. But since it was a Pro, once again some rabid fans here feel they are owed some type of response and formal report from NNRA.

Like you said ... Mike Edwards doesn't seem so worried about it. Maybe you should find something a little more important to worry about.

Jim,

So, when the referee in that Philadelphia Eagles game comes over the PA an explains why they are picking up a flag that was thrown by mistake you believe that they don't owe you squat. Just pick the flag up and get on with the game. You know Jim if it happen in Stock I would be just as concern as I am about a PRO class driver. I believe that timing issues relate to the integrity of the competition. It leads people to believe that there is some other agenda going on besides being fair. Just like any other fan in any other sport we like to think that game is on level playing field. Let me state again I don't care if it was Jr. Dragsters if the timing system is broke fix it and make it fair for all competitors. An by the way do you see what happen at Gainsville happen in any other motorsport?

You have no idea if there were other tree issues that weekend. These are your words. This I can for sure there were no issues concerning the final pair in Pro Stock and Funny Car thru Top Fuel in Final Eliminations on Sunday. I guess that gremlin took a vacation for the rest of the event.

 

[willy]

I believe part of what Jim is saying is the fact that the players that were involved have moved on, but some here can't let it go. Then the discussion ultimately leads to the continuing sh!t that NHRA can't do anything right.

Seems to be a repeating theme here lately. (more than usual)

 

[MHayes]

I believe part of what Jim is saying is the fact that the players that were involved have moved on, but some here can't let it go. Then the discussion ultimately leads to the continuing sh!t that NHRA can't do anything right.

Seems to be a repeating theme here lately. (more than usual)

David hit the nail on the head and I couldn't agree with him more!

The constant complaining is getting old.....sure the NHRA isn't perfect, but no organization is. If some of you hate it so much, why even watch (or participate)? There are other options.....as Bruce stated, these things don't happen in other motorsports....LOL!

 

[JB3]

i believe part of what jim is saying is the fact that the players that were involved have moved on, but some here can't let it go. Then the discussion ultimately leads to the continuing sh!t that nhra can't do anything right.

Seems to be a repeating theme here lately. (more than usual)

david hit the nail on the head and i couldn't agree with him more!

The constant complaining is getting old.....sure the nhra isn't perfect, but no organization is. If some of you hate it so much, why even watch (or participate)? There are other options.....as bruce stated, these things don't happen in other motorsports....lol!

Exactly what I am saying guys !!