Quit making things up and putting words in my mouth. I said no such thing.
Nitromater
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NHRA points question....
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I guess 9.50 car guys have no say about what happens with the future of drag racing.?) Maybe Bobby should borrow some guys 9.50 car so he can be a "real contributor" and not so much of a "keyboard owner, ,chief, and driver." Now that I think of it, one of his cars did go 9.50 once. It shook the tires and shut off. I think he owns one boat that won't go 9.50.
I guess the only way you can opine is if you inherit a ride and go in the 4's and now the 3's.
Grass roots racer should now shaddup because TF and Wannabe TF rules what you should hear and discuss. If you don't go as fast as a Miller car your opinion means dick.
Good for you Buzzz (how many z's?) you go fast. Not all of us were born with a silver spoon. Does that make you any better than anyone who trailers to their local track on Saturdays and goes 9.50?? I think not. Quit acting like you think it does.
Unless you or your dad lost money or points in this deal then you have no complaint in it. Strasburg does, not the Millers. Regardless of what Mr Miller does for them.
MoparBilly
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Randy,
While researching the rule that cost Mike his points, I saw the one pertaining to your situation, and obviously all the first round Comp guys, as well.
As usual with NHRA's rulings, and perspective, it's designed for the traveling Pro Sportsman racer, who's more concerned with giving up one of his 6 National or 8 Divisional points eligible events!!!
It never occurs to them that someone would run a limited schedule...
While researching the rule that cost Mike his points, I saw the one pertaining to your situation, and obviously all the first round Comp guys, as well.
As usual with NHRA's rulings, and perspective, it's designed for the traveling Pro Sportsman racer, who's more concerned with giving up one of his 6 National or 8 Divisional points eligible events!!!
It never occurs to them that someone would run a limited schedule...
Randy,
Thanks for sharing the information. I guess my real concern is based in the fact that it was called a "Rescheduled" event. I could understand if the event was scheduled for a later weekend so all teams could plan for the continuation of the event to be at a set time. Being that the teams were expected to just sit and wait for an undetermined amount of time is where I have issues. Not only does the family owned team suffer greatly, bet even a pro team could be missing out on scheduled shows or promotional events that they may have committed to. That is where I see an issue with the penalizing of points and earnings. If they truly "Canceled" the event and "Rescheduled" for a following weekend (as they had in many times past) it would have provided a (somewhat) level playing field for the family teams as well as the pro teams. In my eyes (which does not mean much) trying to extend the weekend as was done in Pomona is not a "rescheduling" as is written in the rule book. (True, you can't have a rule written for every known possibility).
Anyway, that is the end of my rant. Now back to the Greg Moon show...
Paul
Thanks for sharing the information. I guess my real concern is based in the fact that it was called a "Rescheduled" event. I could understand if the event was scheduled for a later weekend so all teams could plan for the continuation of the event to be at a set time. Being that the teams were expected to just sit and wait for an undetermined amount of time is where I have issues. Not only does the family owned team suffer greatly, bet even a pro team could be missing out on scheduled shows or promotional events that they may have committed to. That is where I see an issue with the penalizing of points and earnings. If they truly "Canceled" the event and "Rescheduled" for a following weekend (as they had in many times past) it would have provided a (somewhat) level playing field for the family teams as well as the pro teams. In my eyes (which does not mean much) trying to extend the weekend as was done in Pomona is not a "rescheduling" as is written in the rule book. (True, you can't have a rule written for every known possibility).
Anyway, that is the end of my rant. Now back to the Greg Moon show...
Paul
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Quit making things up and putting words in my mouth. I said no such thing.
One post you complain people are putting words in your mouth and the very next post, you do the exact same thing.....
You should stick to posting your opinions and not belittling everyone if they don't "own a TF team"
Also, the Keyboard crewchief, owner etc. doesn't get used any more because everyone figured out that is what people say when they can't verbalize their criticism..............like dropping "F" bombs to make a point.
One post you complain people are putting words in your mouth and the very next post, you do the exact same thing.....
You should stick to posting your opinions and not belittling everyone if they don't "own a TF team"
Also, the Keyboard crewchief, owner etc. doesn't get used any more because everyone figured out that is what people say when they can't verbalize their criticism..............like dropping "F" bombs to make a point.
"Dr. Dirt"
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PMed days ago! Should I delete some posts?
I'll agree with you John! Really weird but I like it!
Chili
Nitro Member
I e-mailed Compton and Light over this several weeks ago and got a response. Most of us may not like the decision, I was suprised that he spent time to answer my e-mail. Here is the response from Graham Light.
Dear Chris:
The policy addressing this scenario has been in effect for a number of years. In reference to rescheduled events, page 55 of 2009 Rulebook states "A winning contestant in a Professional category unable to return will receive round money and points as if the contestant had lost in the prior round". This policy was implemented as a result of racers not returning due to their anticipation of losing at the rescheduled date - hence affecting the quality of the show for the spectators. It's also unfair to reward a team not returning the same amount as a team making the financial investment to stay.
Mike Strasburg was awarded first round money of $10,000, second round loser money would have been $14,000 (a difference of $4,000). I did have a discussion with Mike, and in reality the loss of $4,000 purse money was offset by his saving two nights hotel rooms and the expense of running the car on Tuesday. As a result, this policy was of minimal financial impact to the Strasburg team.
Hopefully I've adequately addressed your concerns. Thank you for your support of NHRA Drag Racing.
Graham Light
Dear Chris:
The policy addressing this scenario has been in effect for a number of years. In reference to rescheduled events, page 55 of 2009 Rulebook states "A winning contestant in a Professional category unable to return will receive round money and points as if the contestant had lost in the prior round". This policy was implemented as a result of racers not returning due to their anticipation of losing at the rescheduled date - hence affecting the quality of the show for the spectators. It's also unfair to reward a team not returning the same amount as a team making the financial investment to stay.
Mike Strasburg was awarded first round money of $10,000, second round loser money would have been $14,000 (a difference of $4,000). I did have a discussion with Mike, and in reality the loss of $4,000 purse money was offset by his saving two nights hotel rooms and the expense of running the car on Tuesday. As a result, this policy was of minimal financial impact to the Strasburg team.
Hopefully I've adequately addressed your concerns. Thank you for your support of NHRA Drag Racing.
Graham Light
"Dr. Dirt"
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Of course it wasn't painful for Graham. He got a raise last year! As for the team that got hosed, I think Curtis pretty well summed that one up! It was a very lame use of a very obscure written rule for the intent of $aving $ome payout$!
Curtis, were you referring to my bar-b-que? I promise fresher meat next time. Maybe Cletus?
Curtis, were you referring to my bar-b-que? I promise fresher meat next time. Maybe Cletus?
my friends call me Zappy
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I do applaud Mr. Light for responding. But I don't understand how nhra justifys paying them 1st rd loser money when they WON 1st rd.
To me they should have got the full $14,000.
This rule needs to be re-written. NHRA can not control the weather, BUT neither can the racer, so don't penalize them.
yoda
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I think many of you may have glazed over this post, but it is the explanation that caused this to be incorporated into the rule book in the first place. This rule came about due to a PROMOTER (NHRA) getting the short end of the stick from the TALENT (the non-returning racers). Bill got it 100% right on this one folks- as much as we may think it sucks, this whole issue was caused by the talent trying to pull a fast one on the promoter...
"Dr. Dirt"
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With all due respect Martin, are you saying Strasburgs have pulled a fast one on the NHRA? I'll respectfully disagree given the circumstances.I think many of you may have glazed over this post, but it is the explanation that caused this to be incorporated into the rule book in the first place. This rule came about due to a PROMOTER (NHRA) getting the short end of the stick from the TALENT (the non-returning racers). Bill got it 100% right on this one folks- as much as we may think it sucks, this whole issue was caused by the talent trying to pull a fast one on the promoter...
yoda
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The Strasburgs didn't, but they are paying the penalty for their predecessors that in the past took advantage of the situation that caused NHRA to put a ruling like this into place.
Kinda like our new photo radar systems Bobby... Nothing was wrong with a cop sitting out in the median with a radar gun, but then enough people figured out a way to get around that and now "The System" has come up with a rule that sucks and is unfair, but it works...
bodyman
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Personally I would be OK with this ruling IF the event was RESCHEDULED, but it was not, it was a CONTINUED event.
The way I interpreted it,is that it was set up as sort of an incentive to show back up at a RESCHEDULED event or a penalty if you didn't show up to that RESCHEDULED event.
Lets say they RESCHEDULED the Pomona event for this weekend (because of the weather) and all the teams still in competition had to travel back to Pomona.
That to me is a rescheduled event.
IF that was the situation then the Strasburg's would probably known ahead of time the consequences and made a good judgment decision with that information.
In my mind they got hosed out of thousands of dollars.
And I'm sure some added stress that nobody needs.
GOOD LUCK to the Strasburg team for the rest of the season.
I'm behind you all the way
Rick Hall
The way I interpreted it,is that it was set up as sort of an incentive to show back up at a RESCHEDULED event or a penalty if you didn't show up to that RESCHEDULED event.
Lets say they RESCHEDULED the Pomona event for this weekend (because of the weather) and all the teams still in competition had to travel back to Pomona.
That to me is a rescheduled event.
IF that was the situation then the Strasburg's would probably known ahead of time the consequences and made a good judgment decision with that information.
In my mind they got hosed out of thousands of dollars.
And I'm sure some added stress that nobody needs.
GOOD LUCK to the Strasburg team for the rest of the season.
I'm behind you all the way
Rick Hall
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NHRAMike
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I still call BS on the NHRA for this. Why did Ashley and John Force each receive loser points after both team Force cars were no-shows against the Pedregon cars in the semis after John's crash in Dallas in 2007? The thing same thing happened with Doug Kalitta, David Grubnic, and Hillary Will after we lost Scott last year. A precedent has been set and the folks in Glendora should follow it!
Points before Dallas
Points after Dallas
Points before Englishtown
Points after Englishtown
Points before Dallas
Points after Dallas
Points before Englishtown
Points after Englishtown
yoda
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It wouldn't be calling BS onthe NHRA for this- they absolutly should answer for this. There should be a valid answer to explain their actions in the past, and that explanation should be delivered to the Strasburgs at their request. Because of the witholdings of prize monies of such a substancial amount, and with the above listed historical proof of awarding points in conflict to their recent actions, the Strasburg team have a pretty strong case in their favor.
