NHRA points question....

[Shaggy]

Dave, are you saying your team didn't get paid for the round win, and you only received qualifying money?

If that is the case, I will never attend another NHRA event again...

 

[Guppy]

There wasnt a fine, but there is a penalty of no first round money=4000.00 and no first round points=20 pts. We have not received any money yet, but we are told it will be qualifying money only. The afore mentioned we believe to be "set in stone" and non-negotiable.

 

[PJ]

PJ,
This is not penalizing anyone in a manner of speaking. It's the way the points have been awarded for a long time. If you look carefully at the points structure wording, points are awarded to "First Rd loser", "2nd Rd loser", etc. You collect your points for the round you lost in, not the last round you won!!

This rule has led to many sportsman cars limping to the line, broke, to stage up in order to collect thier points, and we've always felt it was a bad policy, but it's been in place for quite some time.


Page 238 of the rulebook also states: If an event is disrupted and rescheduled due to weather or other conditions after eliminations of that category are in progress, contestants unable to return will be awarded points up to the round completed before postponement.


Only one round was completed, so only "first round loser" points can be awarded......

Might not be fair, or right, but it is official!!!!

well at least its in the rule book, its still not right though

 

[none]

Maybe Alan R can come on here and explain to us "know-nothings that just don't get it" how this is true and fair..............

 

[.]

Maybe Alan R can come on here and explain to us "know-nothings that just don't get it" how this is true and fair..............

If it is in the rule book, how is it not fair?

 

[PJ]

Just because something is a rule or law doesn't mean it is right or fair.


At least with it being in the rule book you can claim it was known.

 

[none]

If it is in the rule book, how is it not fair?

So, you think it is a fair rule?
Just because it is in the rule book does not make it a fair rule. You need look no further than the new V Twin rule to know that.

 

["Dr. Dirt"]

If it's a competition and,
If there's a winner, then there is absolutely a loser!
I'd be interested in a historical payout display of all those who couldn't fire, had a leak, broke on the burnout, discovered a problem and didn't break the beams. Were they all equally yoked with this stupid ruling?

These good guys are the ultimate losers this past event because they couldn't put their "real lives" on hold indefinitely waiting for the day the sanctioning body could finally re-start the competition and the system is apparently set-up to save those funds! What a stinking shame!

We can officially and openly say the system is set-up to discourage the little guys with volunteer crews from participating in economic times when about 1/2 of Pomona's field qualified in this class.

Of the 16 qualifiers, how many were true professional full time racers? Here's how I see it?
1 Doug Kalitta 110 - Attac
2 Antron Brown 90 - Hadman
3 Brandon Bernstein 70 - Hadman
3 Morgan Lucas 70 - Hadman
5 Steven Chrisman 50 - McKinney
5 Cory McClenathan 50 - Hadman
5 Tony Schumacher 50 - Hadman
8 David Baca 30 - Sarmento
8 Andy Carter 30 - Baumgarter
8 Del Cox Jr. 30 - McKinney
8 Urs Erbacher 30 -
8 Steve Faria 30 - Dragster
8 Joe Hartley 30 - McKinney
8 Shawn Langdon 30 - Hadman
8 Spencer Massey 30 - Dragster
8 Mike Strasburg

This rule is obviously out of date for our current economic times.
The suits at the NHRA just seem to keep coming up with ways to make us HATE them!

Oh, by the way, no response whatsoever from Graham or Tom. Surprised?

 

[.]

It is Compton and Lights fault.

(everyone feel free to cut an paste this into each and every thread as necessary)

 

[You!]

Greg, you are one of the sheep that NHRA counts on to continue this mess year after year. They've had this "tough S*** if you don't like it" attitude with racers for decades, because they know that there will be someone else dying to take our place.

Well, I think the pool of racers ready to jump in is finally drying up and they're too ignorant to see it coming.

They're ignorant...just plain ignorant.

 

[.]

Greg, you are one of the sheep that NHRA counts on to continue this mess year after year. They've had this "tough S*** if you don't like it" attitude with racers for decades, because they know that there will be someone else dying to take our place.

Well, I think the pool of racers ready to jump in is finally drying up and they're too ignorant to see it coming.

They're ignorant...just plain ignorant.

Yeah, BIll, I guess if you want to make it personal and call me a name or 2, I am one of the sheep. And you know what, most of the decisions that people here complain about dont affect me, or 95% of the other posters on this board. But, that doesn't stop the complaining.

If everyone is so concerned with the rules being followed, why was there such an outrage when Tony Shu skipped the scale and people wanted to let him run? It is a well defined rule. But most on here were upset because NHRA called them on it. So, selective outrage seems to be the order of the day.

If people hate Compton, Light and the rules committee (that wrote this particular rule, not Light or Compton) and the way they are running the show, why do they continue to support NHRA? Quit joining. Quit attending. Quit racing their events. There is always IHRA. It really isn't that hard to figure out, unless you just want to complain. There is no such thing as a willing victim.

Do I AGREE with this rule? Not necessarily. But, I didn't pay car and driver. And, before I did, I would know what the rules are.

 

[Shaggy]

The rules as they are, still doesnt give them the right to withhold anything from 1st Round...1st round was completed for TF on Sunday...Thats where I see the issue, unless I read that wrong...

 

[.]

Greg, you are one of the sheep that NHRA counts on to continue this mess year after year. They've had this "tough S*** if you don't like it" attitude with racers for decades, because they know that there will be someone else dying to take our place.

Well, I think the pool of racers ready to jump in is finally drying up and they're too ignorant to see it coming.

They're ignorant...just plain ignorant.

Yeah, BIll, I guess if you want to make it personal and call me a name or 2, then I guess I am one of the sheep. And you know what, most of the decisions that people here complain about dont affect me, or 95% of the other posters on this board. But, that doesn't stop the complaining.

If everyone is so concerned with the rules being followed, why was there such an outrage when Tony Shu skipped the scale and people wanted to let him run? It is a well defined rule. But most on here were upset because NHRA called them on it. So, selective outrage seems to be the order of the day.

If people hate Compton, Light and the rules committee (that wrote this particular rule, not Light or Compton) and the way they are running the show, why do they continue to support NHRA? Quit joining. Quit attending. Quit racing their events. There is always IHRA. It really isn't that hard to figure out, unless you just want to complain. There is no such thing as a willing victim.

Do I AGREE with this rule? Not necessarily. But, I didn't pay car and driver. And, before I did, I would know what the rules are.

Something tells me that people don't understand that sponsors, and potential sponsors monitor fan boards. When they see all the complaining and how bad NHRA, it can be very much a part of the perception the fans have of the association. But then, the complainers blame NHRA for losing sponsorship dollars, not the perception that sponsor gets from the "diehard" fans.

If that makes me a "sheep", baaaaa. I love the sport, and will accept some of the bad with the good.

 

["Dr. Dirt"]

If it is in the rule book, how is it not fair?

A person like you could never understand it? It's just not possible since you didn't load a half million dollars of your own stuff in a transporter that cost the same then drive 1/3 of the way across the U. S. to compete in a weekend event that extended beyond your ability to stay to save your company or job that feeds your entire volunteer crew's families.

You also didn't schedule and purchase transportation, food, hotels, flights, etc. for them all, only to be required to extend them or purchase new ones based on an undetermined number of days of extension waiting for weather to hopefully clear.

You could never comprehend such because guys like yourself never will face such a situation. I do understand it on a somewhat smaller scale first-hand however, so I'll sympathize rather than post snide/backhanded remarks about a poorly written rule that actually contradicts the spirit of it's own intent and directly punishes the very group that make up the show that is NHRA.

Short version: Strasburgs got brutally hosed and your type don't care.

 

[You!]

You're right Greg. I was wrong for making it personal (although that was not my intent) against you if you took it that way. I apologize.

For the record, I did stop running at NHRA national events and division races some 10 years ago. Living in California as I do, becoming an IHRA licensed driver will not help me when I enter my funny car at a non-NHRA event at a NHRA sanctioned track. Can't do it.

And I was a sponsor for 12 years with many NHRA pro cars. So I have been on both sides of the fence.

Lastly, there is a big difference between complaining and being outraged by any given situation. This may be the final straw that puts my car up for sale.

P.S. And let me also add, that many fans such as yourself always want the inside scoop on the sport you love so much. Appears some only want the good news, and not the ugly truth.

 

[Randy]

An unusual weekend in unusual times! We will not chastise NHRA for the tough decisions they had to make over the weekend as they should not us for our agonizing decision to leave. We ARE an all volunteer crew. Now not only does that mean we don't get paid for working on the car, our real life employers don't pay us on those days. It personally cost me and all crew members to do this! Yes, we know this going in. B&J Transmissions is Mike, Jeff, and Lindsay! There is no big factory back in Utah turning out trans. They personally make every piece and assemble each trans. If you look at the history of this team, we seem to figure out how to do 10 to 14 races per year. This might be helpful to fill short fields this year. The points are not going to kill us, but withholding money does! Sorry to the fans for not seeing a side by side race, and your welcome Antron and Crew. I could go on.....but I better stop.

Dave:

If it makes anyone feel any better, we qualified for TA/FC, showed up in the staging lanes for first round against Clint Thompson at least two times on two different days where it started raining on us (thank you Wayne Stoekel..aka Boogie Man...for the custom fit TA/FC water proof car cover). Plus we had an entire session cancelled after we were called to the lanes on Saturday. On Monday, after sitting in the pits all day where it hailed and rain like crazy Daniel Oliver (my driver) came down with the flu and had a high fever. We decided Monday afternoon it would not be in his best interest to stay until Tuesday because he was so sick so we packed it up.

I was informed that because we didn't stay, even though we were qualified, NHRA withdrew us from the event, we got no qualifying points, no qualifying money and our entry would be transfered to a future NHRA event if we chose to. I'd rather take the round one loss and qualifying money. I was never able to find it anywhere in the rule book or NHRA's web site that this was the policy.

Live and learn, I guess.

RG

 

["Dr. Dirt"]

Randy,
These were extenuating circumstances to say the least. Right will always be right and wrong will always be wrong and it's wrong you guys qualified and didn't get compensated appropriately despite the reason you couldn't make it to the line.

I would venture to say that the NHRA has, in fact paid and given points to the likes of cars that were wrecked, disabled, malfunctioned or otherwise unable to stage the cars in the beams time and again. I see no difference here. You qualified and the Strasburgs WON first round without compensation in points or money. I personally believe this policy sucks and MUST be revisited retroactive to Pomona where the circumstances were most extenuating.

 

[You!]

Dave:

If it makes anyone feel any better, we qualified for TA/FC, showed up in the staging lanes for first round against Clint Thompson at least two times on two different days where it started raining on us (thank you Wayne Stoekel..aka Boogie Man...for the custom fit TA/FC water proof car cover). Plus we had an entire session cancelled after we were called to the lanes on Saturday. On Monday, after sitting in the pits all day where it hailed and rain like crazy Daniel Oliver (my driver) came down with the flu and had a high fever. We decided Monday afternoon it would not be in his best interest to stay until Tuesday because he was so sick so we packed it up.

I was informed that because we didn't stay, even though we were qualified, NHRA withdrew us from the event, we got no qualifying points, no qualifying money and our entry would be transfered to a future NHRA event if we chose to. I'd rather take the round one loss and qualifying money. I was never able to find it anywhere in the rule book or NHRA's web site that this was the policy.

Live and learn, I guess.

RG

I wonder if they did the same thing to all 12 of the Comp racers that couldn't stay because they too had to get back to their jobs/lives?

 

[d'kid]

I find it interesting, that in a sport that's all about winning and being the best, that the rule book spells out the pay by when you LOSE, not by the rounds you WON...

Let's carry this to it's logical end... the most you can take home should be finals loser... the winner of the race can't LOSE to anyone else at that event to justify earning more money or points than the last person he beat... he or she can't be beat until the next race... therefore round money and points can't be allocated until they finally lose at some future race the same season...

d'kid

 

[DragFan2]

I find it interesting, that in a sport that's all about winning and being the best, that the rule book spells out the pay by when you LOSE, not by the rounds you WON...

Let's carry this to it's logical end... the most you can take home should be finals loser... the winner of the race can't LOSE to anyone else at that event to justify earning more money or points than the last person he beat... he or she can't be beat until the next race... therefore round money and points can't be allocated until they finally lose at some future race the same season...

d'kid

Karl,

Only someone with a mind like yours could have put the ludicrousness of NHRA's rule in perspective. Man I feel for all the racers that got hosed, the Strasbergs, Randy G, and many more. Of course NHRA can always come back with "how much" money THEY lost at this race too. There are no winners here...just LOSERS and that seems to be how NHRA sees things, huh?