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NHRA has banned all trackside flash photography

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I would like to hear Mr. Rebilas thoughts on this matter.

You will notice in his technical data he does sometimes use a softbox flash for portraits at the top end and trophy presentations, but as James Morgan (also an excellent photographer) pointed out, todays cameras with clean high ISO capabilities make flash redundant at the starting line. I notice Mr. Rebilas always tells us his ISO and it is usually quite high at night sessions.
 
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On Friday at Pomona, late in the day, there were problems with the system. We were down for oh, I don't know, 30 minutes to sort it out. They were testing it with pit bikes. I have pics from the stands but photobucket is fubar'd.

I also noticed way fewer photogs on the wall near the line. We could actually had good uncluttered sightlines!

This incident was unrelated to the flash photography issue.
 
With todays digital sensors and their clean high ISO photos are flashes really necessary?
Good sensors don't make up for poor lighting.

Without flash
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With flash
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Photos by Bryan Epps
 
Some of the remote flash systems communicate with infrared light. Aren't the beams infrared? Could it be a stage beam reciever picked up an infrared signal from a flash? With todays digital sensors and their clean high ISO photos are flashes really necessary?

Yes, the flashes are necessary. It's called "fill flash" for a reason.
The flash is used to highlight dark areas while not overpowering the already bright areas.
Try taking a picture of something with the sun behind it without using a flash. Then, take the same picture with flash and you'll see a huge, and better, difference.
 
Just to make clear what the photographers flashes may create, I've seen this happen in a number of Comp Elim races, where a camera flash bounces off the second off the line handi-cap racers front wheel and makes the racer's light turn Red, WITH-OUT the racer's car moving.
It's even been suggested some racers have their photographer or paid a photographer to take these flash pictures, so their competitor red lights.
I've seen a crew member's videos, showing the tree and the complete race car, and I've seen both stage lights on, and the racer getting a red light with-out any movement of the rear wheel. What happens is a photographer takes a flash picture of the 1'st car leaving on a handi-cap race and the flash reflects off the 2'nd racers front wheel and triggers the red light. that's what happened at the Winternationals SuperStock final, and they re-ran the race after telling all the photographers to not take any flash pictures during the tree count down.
As a result of this happening, many racers are making their front wheels black. I make and sell front dragster wire spoke wheels and many racers are getting my black rim wheels.

Jon, Hayden Wheels
 
If and right now it sounds like a big if, but if photog flashes are affecting races then the NHRA has a responsibility to make sure it doesn't happen. The startline photographers are some really smart folks and I'm sure the last thing any of them wants is to negatively effect a races outcome. Until the NHRA is sure what the deal is these talented folks will come up with ways to adapt and bring us the great coverage we are used to.
 
Have you ever thought that it was a safety issue Brent?? Maybe some drivers complained about 30+ photographers' flashes going off on the launch when they are trying to drive a 300+ MPH car?

I don't know about you, but when someone takes a pic of me with a flash, I see spots for a little while.....I sure as hell wouldn't want that driving a TF or FC!

In the driver seat, why would the driver be looking at the camera when getting ready to stage or launch the car or doing a burnout or anything for that matter once that engine is running?

@Larry Fullerton -- the only good pictures are pre '72? Really?? LOL
 
In the driver seat, why would the driver be looking at the camera when getting ready to stage or launch the car or doing a burnout or anything for that matter once that engine is running?

FYI, you do not need to be looking DIRECTLY at a flash to be temporarily blinded or distracted. :rolleyes:
 
Thanks Mike....nice to have insight from a driver. I was thinking when looking at the tree that might catch the flashes from the opposite side of the track, but you confirmed that isn't the case.

Nancy is a driver too Michael, and a much more experienced one than I am. I wouldn't dismiss her thoughts on the subject.
 
Wouldn't that be nice......especially when the photogs start breaking out the step ladders!!

isn't that the truth. especially that overweight asain photographer at vegas.
he is the most inconsiderate photo i have ever seen in my life.
trying to watch the top fuel cars stage and he breaks out his step ladder and we holler. He just looks and threw us the finger.
 
Thanks for the link Don....definitely an interesting read! Although most of the discussion revolves around the flashes effecting the timing system, a couple of racers commented on the flashes distracting them......I guess it varies by driver?

Yes, some of it touches on the possibility of infrared driven remote flashes interfering. As far as it affecting the driver, it's a real possibilty in racing where a handicap is involved. If someone shoots with a flash when the first car leaves, the possibility exists that the second driver can be affected by it.
 

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