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New Qualifying Format for the Mission Foods Pros (8 Viewers)

Billy

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Watching the Saturday coverage of Texas Motorplex, if I was there I would have been so bored and falling asleep. When the conditions are such that the field is set Friday night, it makes Saturday qualifying a bit of a yawn fest for me. I have a proprosal for a new qualifying format that I think would make EVERY session full of excitement, so I'm just putting it out into the universe. Only for Mission Food Pros.

The basic concept is 4 cars qualify per session,and ladder is set based on Final Session elapsed times.

Details:
Session One - Quickest 4 cars are locked into the field
Session Two - of the remaining cars unqualified, the quickest 4 of them locked into the field
Session Three - of the remaining cars unqualified, the quickest 4 of them locked into the field
Session Four - of the remaining cars unqualified, the quickest 4 of them locked into the field AND Ladder is set by Final Session elapsed times
if you are a team that doesn't run all the sessions, anyone who is locked in but does not run the final session, they will be slotted at the end of the field in the order of what time qualified them in.

It may be confusing to the casual fan, but the casual fan isn't there to follow qualifying, they just want fast and loud. The hardcore fans would figure this out.

I think it would make EVERY qualifying session interesting. I think having the ladder on the final session times means that you can't anticipate the round one pairings throughout Saturday, only when the last cars of the session cross the finish line.

You wouldn't need to change the format of the sessions, the run order (although I would say the already qualified cars, for example the 8 in Session 3, would go at the back, but not necessary), the 2 Fast 2 Tasty could still operate the same etc.

For Indy, you could qualify over 5 sessions 3+3+3+3+4.
If you lose a session on Friday, you could do 5+5+6.
I think there are multiple ways you could handle a rainout, and if it's a one session race it would revert to the regular method.

Qualifying points could be based on WHEN you qualified not where
Book your spot in Q1 - i's the 8-7-6-5 portion of qualifying points
Get in during Session 2 - it's the 4-4-3-3 portion of qualifying points
Session 3? all the 2 points,
and wait until the last, just the 1 point.

Anyway, I came up with this concept when I was at the races on a Saturday and starting to feel exhausted from a long Friday and waking up super early on Saturday to watch some Lucas Oil Sportsman racing. This, to me, wuld make every session exciting ("who's getting in on this session?") and using the final session times for the ladder I think would make for some WILD round one pairings.

Anyway, just putting it out into the universe and maybe somebody important will like it.
 
I would consider myself a hardcore fan and it took me a few read throughs to get a general idea of what you are suggesting. They kind of had that when they carried over only the top 12 runs from Friday into Saturday and the benefit was that if you smoked or shook on Friday night you were not essentially screwed out of qualifying. There were a few instances right before that rule came into play that someone would run low or top three in the three day runs and did not get down the track in the night session and failed to qualify, I think it happened to Force at Indy one year. Problem with that was say a low buck team goes out and made a good/decent run Friday night but was 13th and missed on the other runs and failed to qualify.

Biggest issue I see with your scenario is if a team knows they are unlikely to be top four in the first session they may decide not to run unless the incentive of going later in Q2 is worth making a run. Also if a team is already locked in going into Saturday, you may see more teams elect not to run to save parts/money.

I dont know if there is a perfect scenario, only thing close I can come up with off the top of my head would be to average all four runs and go based on average but even then a team that elects to save parts and not make a run would essentially throw away a good run made that got them qualified higher, unless you went to best average 3/4 runs. Even then if a team knows they wont improve their average, they might decide to sit out the final session especially if its conditions where that wont be useful going into Sunday.

Unfortunately tire smoke is going to happen in qualifying, especially Q3 where teams are looking to find the edge and how far they can push it since Q3 is usually around the time of E1-E2 on Sunday.
 
I agree with Zed, If I'm a mid pack car why would I waste the time/money running Friday? I know that Prock, Capps, Beckman and Hagan are likely to outrun me, so what's my incentive to run? I'll just wait until Q4 and run my 4.0 to get on the ladder.

Alan
 
I agree with Zed, If I'm a mid pack car why would I waste the time/money running Friday? I know that Prock, Capps, Beckman and Hagan are likely to outrun me, so what's my incentive to run? I'll just wait until Q4 and run my 4.0 to get on the ladder.

Alan
I agree - that's ok - Friday generally has a smaller crowd. I'd want to wait and run the car in front of a larger crowd, and also have an idea of who I'm actually "competing" against for the remaining spots.
 
Unpopular opinion here - Pros have two qualifying runs on Saturday. That's it. Then the casual fan sees every car run and sees the value of their ticket.

Run the sportsmen on Friday and give the pros a test n tune session Friday.

Just spitballing here, like everyone else. I'm not saying I know all the answers but I think someone, somewhere needs to look at the attendance, the length of the show, and what people want in exchange for their hard earned dollars. Sure, the hardcore fans want to see records, series champions, three to four full days of racing action but of all the tickets sold throughout the course of the year, what percentage of the population is this? Surely less than 5% and I'd argue declining.
 
Unpopular opinion here - Pros have two qualifying runs on Saturday. That's it. Then the casual fan sees every car run and sees the value of their ticket.

Run the sportsmen on Friday and give the pros a test n tune session Friday.

Just spitballing here, like everyone else. I'm not saying I know all the answers but I think someone, somewhere needs to look at the attendance, the length of the show, and what people want in exchange for their hard earned dollars. Sure, the hardcore fans want to see records, series champions, three to four full days of racing action but of all the tickets sold throughout the course of the year, what percentage of the population is this? Surely less than 5% and I'd argue declining.
pretty much what they were doing in Virginia except they ran 3 qualifiers saturday.
 

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