New Jersey Police Findings concerning Kalitta accident

[turbo ken]

Scott was one of the best drivers out there, no one else could have done any different or better in a situation like that.

 

[qtermile14]

Scott was one of the best drivers out there, no one else could have done any different or better in a situation like that.

I agree. With the engine still running and the clutch still locked up per the report, no body could have stopped this vehicle.

 

[Todd]

That .02% is so small. Could it of been from cough syrup or some other medication for something like a common cold?

 

[BigTuna]

That .02% is so small. Could it of been from cough syrup or some other medication for something like a common cold?

Usually that level of ethanol in the blood is from a beer/beverage, to reach that level you would have to consume allot of cough syrup/mouth wash ect. Who cares? The pencil pushers had to add that to the report.

 

[Vern]

Thats so small it could of been from 2 beers the night before..

there was a incident involving a Highway patrol officer here in Ohio that post mortem it said the same thing and it was determined it was the body breaking down that can cause it,, so it's a non issue to me also.

 

[Joker]

Who cares. He def. wasnt the first and def. wont be the last to consume or partake of something at a racetrack while driving. That didnt have anything to do with the crash and sure couldnt have prevented it.

 

[Vern]

Here is some more info about that.

FWIW, this is what the Federal Highway Administration says about the 0.02% BAC level;

The FHWA believes that a 0.02 BAC is the lowest level at which a scientifically accurate breath/blood alcohol concentration can be measured in an employer-based test under part 382. The FHWA further believes that this use of a 0.02 BAC standard is consistent with FHWA's long established zero tolerance standard for alcohol. This guidance in no way impedes or precludes any action taken by a law enforcement official because of a finding that a BAC level was less than 0.02 BAC.
http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/rules-regulatio...&guidence=Y

 

[Tim5636sc]

I'm quite sure it is either state law or standard procedure to check and report the BAC in any motor vehicle accident.

Move along folks, nothing to see here, these aren't the droids you're looking for...

I think you forgot something Mr. Williams...

you have to wave the hand across the screen when attempting the Jedi Mind Trick!!! and it only works on ....... well.... Nevermind!

 

[Rajunz]

It sounds like the taller walls that Billy Meyer built in the catch net area would have really helped in this instance.

That was kind of sad to read, although very informative.

 

[nick name]

Once again, I'm seeing the worst side of Nitromater. It reinforces my opinion that maybe there ought to be a license allowing posting on the internet. Just because a user happens to have a thought and a keyboard does not mean that it needs to be inflicted on the world.

The BAC has nothing to do with the accident other than it's a mandatory blank that has to be filled on the form. I am amazed at how much interest some people have regarding something that is intensely private.

If a blood test shows the presence of a drug used to treat a social disease, do you NEED to know that? What if trace elements were found of a drug used to treat a mental illness? That your business, too?

NO, I AM NOT SUGGESTING EITHER EXAMPLE WAS TRUE IN THE CASE OF SCOTT KALITTA!

Why it is ANYONE'S business to speculate, infer, comment on, or discuss such a thing - when obviously the NJSP doesn't care - is beyond me.

I have this vision of some posters running into an accident victim's hospital room and busily picking at any scabs they can get to. It's their inalienable right to know, right?

Sorry for any gross imagery but I'm totally disgusted.

 

[Percboy]

there was a incident involving a Highway patrol officer here in Ohio that post mortem it said the same thing and it was determined it was the body breaking down that can cause it,, so it's a non issue to me also.

Good point, I remember that at the time. The media played that up big time before (weeks later) they determined that alcohol is typically present after decomposition.
Ohio Union Contradicts Report of Alcohol in Trooper's System: Top News Stories at Officer.com
BTW, What is NHRAs rule for BAC? Abosolute 0.0?

 

[farmje]

Post Crash Analysis from Scott Kalitta Report

I am in need of some brighter people than myself to explain something to me.

I was almost certain that Scott entered the sandtraps at over 200mph. I didn't know the exact MPH, but figured it had to be significant.

From the report, it says he entered the traps at 125mph. This means that he had slowed down 175mph from when he had crossed the finish line at 1320'.

Here are a few of my questions.

1. Will an extra 320' of shutdown space cause cars to enter the sandtrap at less than 125mph?

It seemed to me that the rate of speed really wasn't the biggest issue in Scott's crash. I mean, if he entered the trap at 60mph, it would have been a better outcome, but I have personally seen people enter the trap at that rate of speed and walk away.

2. Is the short track really to blame for Scott's death?

To me, if we didn't have the ESPN cameras, it looks like (from the report) that we would be singing a different tune right now.

These are just some thoughts. I need some people smarter than me to help process the information in this report.

 

[Just Paul]

Re: Post Crash Analysis from Scott Kalitta Report

I am in need of some brighter people than myself to explain something to me.

I was almost certain that Scott entered the sandtraps at over 200mph. I didn't know the exact MPH, but figured it had to be significant.

From the report, it says he entered the traps at 125mph. This means that he had slowed down 175mph from when he had crossed the finish line at 1320'.

Here are a few of my questions.

1. Will an extra 320' of shutdown space cause cars to enter the sandtrap at less than 125mph?

It seemed to me that the rate of speed really wasn't the biggest issue in Scott's crash. I mean, if he entered the trap at 60mph, it would have been a better outcome, but I have personally seen people enter the trap at that rate of speed and walk away.

2. Is the short track really to blame for Scott's death?

To me, if we didn't have the ESPN cameras, it looks like (from the report) that we would be singing a different tune right now.

These are just some thoughts. I need some people smarter than me to help process the information in this report.

At the risk of posting on a topic that has been talked about all too much, here is my .02 for what it's worth.


#1-No-It all depends on what happens before that point. Look at Steve Read.

#2-No-50 things went wrong at the same time. Take away just 1 of those 50 and things might be different.

 

[Turtle]

This might be a stupid question, but how did the engine continue to provide power once it had failed (exploded)?
Does anyone know what exactly failed in the engine?

 

[clwill]

... and it only works on ....... well....

You made my point

 

[clwill]

how did the engine continue to provide power once it had failed (exploded)?

Nitro cars will sometimes run on the oil when there's no fuel to burn or spark to light it... "dieseling" on the oil, essentially.

 

[Bobby]

Considering how this crash has changed the sport we know, I don't think there's anything wrong with questioning this issue.

The report stated the .02 level was in violation of NHRA rules, hence, some may wonder what affect that may have had.

I didn't read anything here other than legitimate questions.

If you want to be protected from ideas which may offend you , may I suggest you turn off your TV and shutdown your computer.

When you are driving a race car , which places you, and everyone around you , in some level of danger, you don't have any right to privacy. If you are taking a drug , any drug, it is everyone else's business.

The main problem here was the ESPN truck. Along with the pole, the curved wall, the general setup of the shutdown area.

Just my opinion, please don't get too upset about it Dan.

I read and hear things that piss me off every night on cable 'news', it's part of life in this 'connected' world of ours.

Once again, I'm seeing the worst side of Nitromater. It reinforces my opinion that maybe there ought to be a license allowing posting on the internet. Just because a user happens to have a thought and a keyboard does not mean that it needs to be inflicted on the world.

The BAC has nothing to do with the accident other than it's a mandatory blank that has to be filled on the form. I am amazed at how much interest some people have regarding something that is intensely private.

If a blood test shows the presence of a drug used to treat a social disease, do you NEED to know that? What if trace elements were found of a drug used to treat a mental illness? That your business, too?

NO, I AM NOT SUGGESTING EITHER EXAMPLE WAS TRUE IN THE CASE OF SCOTT KALITTA!

Why it is ANYONE'S business to speculate, infer, comment on, or discuss such a thing - when obviously the NJSP doesn't care - is beyond me.

I have this vision of some posters running into an accident victim's hospital room and busily picking at any scabs they can get to. It's their inalienable right to know, right?

Sorry for any gross imagery but I'm totally disgusted.

 

[T.Smith]

Nitro cars will sometimes run on the oil when there's no fuel to burn or spark to light it... "dieseling" on the oil, essentially.

Sh*t, we pitched out #5 & 6 rod and the thing still went to the finishline running on six cylinders.

 

[Bob]

The report stated the .02 level was in violation of NHRA rules, hence, some may wonder what affect that may have had.

The .00 policy is unrealistic. You could live your entire life without consuming a single adult beverage. Pop a Certs breath mint into your mouth, suck on it until its gone, then blow into a Breathalyzer. You will not blow a .00. In fact it wouldn't be unlikely you'd blow a .02

A blood analysis is more accurate, but still flawed in that at that level, what you ate for dinner the night before could still register a reading above .00

 

[Bullet]

Considering how this crash has changed the sport we know, I don't think there's anything wrong with questioning this issue.

The report stated the .02 level was in violation of NHRA rules, hence, some may wonder what affect that may have had.

I didn't read anything here other than legitimate questions.

If you want to be protected from ideas which may offend you , may I suggest you turn off your TV and shutdown your computer.

When you are driving a race car , which places you, and everyone around you , in some level of danger, you don't have any right to privacy. If you are taking a drug , any drug, it is everyone else's business.

The main problem here was the ESPN truck. Along with the pole, the curved wall, the general setup of the shutdown area.

Just my opinion, please don't get too upset about it Dan.

I read and hear things that piss me off every night on cable 'news', it's part of life in this 'connected' world of ours.

Great post Bob!