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Nitrohelper
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For a limited budget team, they need to wait until Saturday when their one run will qualify.
DragFan2
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NHRA created their own problem by having only the top 12 runs carrying over to Saturday. Even if a low budget team could run a good pass on Friday night, if it didn't make the top 12, then it would be thrown out and they would HAVE to make another pass on Saturday. The low budget teams don't have much choice other than to wait to qualify on Saturday as at least then their run will count no matter what. Bad for the Friday fans, bad for NHRA car counts, but good for the teams.
Bill
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>>>"NHRA created their own problem by having only the top 12 runs carrying over to Saturday."<<<
Can somebody who understands NHRA's thinking on this please explain to me exactly what this "twelve" business is supposed to accomplish, and for whom?
I REALLY don't understand the rationale here...
Can somebody who understands NHRA's thinking on this please explain to me exactly what this "twelve" business is supposed to accomplish, and for whom?
I REALLY don't understand the rationale here...
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Nitrohelper
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DragFan2
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Alan, I noticed that
Of course as soon as I typed that post, what do some of the low budget teams do? They make Friday evening qualifying runs.
So much for that theory, although I still don't like the fact that only the top 12 runs carry over to Saturday. When there were 17-20 cars entered, it sorta made sense, but now with short fields or only 16 caars on the premises, it can be in the teams best interest to make a run when it counts the most. There's no perfect answer or solution to the problem, I just hope NHRA doesn't force teams to make a qualifying run each day if it is just to force the issue. Not saying it is going to happen, just a rumour I heard...probably on this board.
This 12 car thing where the bottom 4 stats get thrown out is stupid.
This year, because of that rule, 2 drivers have gone to eliminations without a qualifying stats.
See Rit Pustari at Etown and Jack Wyatt at Topeka.
I've never seen this before. The only other race close to that is the Fall Dallas 2000 race, where everyone didn't get a qualifying stat and then raced on Sunday.
This year, because of that rule, 2 drivers have gone to eliminations without a qualifying stats.
See Rit Pustari at Etown and Jack Wyatt at Topeka.
I've never seen this before. The only other race close to that is the Fall Dallas 2000 race, where everyone didn't get a qualifying stat and then raced on Sunday.
ramblerjay
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i think you have to refer to these 16 car fields as "short fields." the first round of eliminations are basically bye runs (at least for the 1st thru 4th qualifiers in most instances). i would bet some of the pro stock cars would have an easier time beating a top half qualifier than some of the field fillers in tf and fc. this is not a knock on any of those lower qualified teams personally, but just watch and see for yourself.
Jason you mean like this?
1. Allen Johnson 6.571 210.21 V 16. Danny Gruninger 15.686 153.09
ramblerjay
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no. i mean putting mike edwards vs spencer massey, rather than ron smith. i'd say edwards would have a better chance.
jpee
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I was am watching the NHRA nationals in Seattle.. Pro Stock cars are running their last qualifying session & the stands are 1/2 empty, & there are only 16 cars attempting to qualify in PS.. Hell I remember this yr. at E Town there were app 22 PS cars... and 20 FC..
I'm not sure how may FC or TF they have.. I remember at E Town 6 or 7 years ago there were 25+ Pro Stockers... ans 20+ Funny Cars..
I'm going to the Keystones in Pa. next month and at this rate I'm wondering if they (NHRA) will even have full fields?
In All 3 Pro Classes there are only 16 TOTAL Cars in Each Class!
I'm not sure how may FC or TF they have.. I remember at E Town 6 or 7 years ago there were 25+ Pro Stockers... ans 20+ Funny Cars..
I'm going to the Keystones in Pa. next month and at this rate I'm wondering if they (NHRA) will even have full fields?
In All 3 Pro Classes there are only 16 TOTAL Cars in Each Class!
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mike
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OK...I kinda like the idea that all 16 position can't be filled on Friday night
often it was a complete waste of time to run on Saturday, especially in Pro Stock, since the condition were so much worse than during the Friday night session...it made the final qualifying round a test and tune session
and really, if you're a low buck team and only want to make the minimum number of runs to try and save a few (or more than a few) dollars, wouldn't it make more sense to make that run on Saturday, when the conditions are more like Sunday, and there are typically more fans in the stands? (and a there is better chance of some TV coverage?)
I guess I just don't see the big difference between having teams skip the Friday session because their time might not count, and skipping the Saturday session because they couldn't improve their position from Friday night
often it was a complete waste of time to run on Saturday, especially in Pro Stock, since the condition were so much worse than during the Friday night session...it made the final qualifying round a test and tune session
and really, if you're a low buck team and only want to make the minimum number of runs to try and save a few (or more than a few) dollars, wouldn't it make more sense to make that run on Saturday, when the conditions are more like Sunday, and there are typically more fans in the stands? (and a there is better chance of some TV coverage?)
I guess I just don't see the big difference between having teams skip the Friday session because their time might not count, and skipping the Saturday session because they couldn't improve their position from Friday night
T.Smith
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Oh please...sure it's a knock.
ramblerjay
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listen. i understand all of the guys in the field pour their heart and soul and hard earned money into their operations. but the bottom line is that the nhra has got to pay more to get more quality cars to these shows. i am sure the attendance numbers at the end of the year will reflect the rather poor competition that has occurred on the track this year. especially the absence of any importance whatsoever of the qualifying sessions.
i love seeing 16 over 1, etc, but this year, it has not happened (unless a regular is in that slot). the non-regulars have performed poorly. the round 1 brackets are easily predictable this year. 1,000 ft has a lot to do with it too.
jpee
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Mike Miller is "Not Too Far Off The Mark"
In FC the #16 car ran 5.57 vs PS 6.60
In TF
15 ran 8.75
16 ran 20.02
So of course if the TF was actually running vs a PS they (TF) would give it a very soft set up and run 5.90 and win ..BUT if they The TF Car was trying as it would in competition it may blow the tires off or just not make it down the track as we see in this race...
Personally I'm more of a PS fan (closer racing) than the fuel classes.. but I still enjoy the Fuel classes, and LOVE Comp Eliminator.. That is where you really see ingenuity!!
jackass
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Realisticly ..right now.. paying more to get more "quaility" teams won't get the "better" operations out to run the events.... alot of those teams don't exist anymore becasue they have NO funds of any kind to keep the crew on the payroll.... so if that moneys gone for the crew.... then no money for parts to race either.... BUT.. if they did pay a bit more it might help the lower budgeted teams buy better parts to make more/better laps....
Billy
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