Father angry at soldier son death

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Can you really know that? Aren't you posting personal opinion as fact? I don't believe in making assumptions about peoples' intentions without knowing.

I remember Bill O'Reilly threatening to kick a guest's ass on national TV for questioning his son's service.

A: Bill O'Rielly has no son serving. B: He aint gonna kick no ones ass.
You remembered wrong.

 

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It's war, shit happens. What do you expect, nothing to ever go wrong in the heat of a battle? They were under attack when it happened and they're the ones that called for the risky air support to help them out. Not everything goes 100% perfectly right, expecially in war. But don't let that stop you from making your usual idiotic slams against the U.S. I wish you'd just leave this forum and take your moronic U.S. bashing with you.

So, shit happens? (well, not to you, chickenhawk)

See the Tillman files.

Shit does indeed happen, including murders.

I thought you were above calling posters idiotic, moronic, and asking people to leave (this isnt even the political forum). I guess you would rather censor than admit mistakes and following and supporting a mistaken adventure.

The rightwing chickenhawks are gettiung nervous. The draft is coming. And sor are elections.

The ones that say they support it are old enough to be exempt, but dont have the balls to join Blackwater, et all.

 

[Hutch]

So you honestly think that the British Military would have stopped the German Military without US help, yeah, right. If the US had just went after Japan and left you on your own, you would have been over run by Germany eventually.

WRONG AGAIN. The British Royal Air Force defeated the German Luftwaffe during the Battle Of Britain thereby gaining air superiority. Hitler had to cancel the planned sea and airborne invasion of Britain (Operation Sealion). So Hitler turned his attention to Nazi Germany's invasion of the Soviet Union (Operation Barbarossa) which commenced on June 22, 1941.

September 3, 1939, British Prime Minister Chamberlain went to the airwaves to announce to the British people that a state of war existed between their country and Germany. World War II had begun.

BRITAIN WAS ALONE AT WAR WITH GERMANY FOR MORE THAN TWO YEARS until the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbour, America declared war on Japan on December 8, 1941. President Roosevelt never asked for war with Italy or Germany before the Congress. Instead, three days after December 7th, Italy and Germany declared war on the United States.

Click on Battle of Britain (film) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia or go to your local library and read some books about the Battle Of Britain, Operation Sealion & Operation Operation Barbarossa.

My Dad died fighting for his country during World War II

 

[ProStockJunkie]

Yes l know it's war. But it's always US "friendly fire" that is killing British & Coalition soldiers in lraq & Afghanistan. l still say that if the if the Pilot or Weapons System Officer of the USAF F-15E Strike Eagle are found negligible. They should be withdrawn from combat duties.

lf one of your relatives was killed by "friendly fire" wouldn't you be angry, if it was one of my relatives l'd be bloody devastated.

How do you know it's 'always US "friendly fire"? Have you ever heard of the Liberal Left media that selectively reports all the stuff to make the US look bad? Of course you have...what am I thinking... that's where you get all your ammo for your America bashing.

 

[ProStockJunkie]

This incident is certainly a tragedy and my thoughts and prayers go out to all of the people and their families that are involved.

Have you heard the expression, "War is hell"?

I'm sure you have, but nothing will deter you from taking a swip at the United States of America.

So, you're against the war in Iraq. You're not alone. However, there are still some folks left who understand why we are there and what we are doing there and what we hope to accomplish there.

Friendly fire is an unintended consequence of war John, whether or not the war is 'popular' or has the support of all the 'experts' among the general public who should be polled before we enter into one.

I know I am not qualified to make decisions about such things, and if you'll be honest with yourself, neither are you.... nor is anyone except military personnel. And, save the 'there are military people against this war'. We know that.

The bottom line is quite simple. We're there, we need to finish the job and do whatever it takes to accomplish that... not have our young men & women's hands tied by the tide of public opinion.

 

[Jenn]

I got this from my boyfriend's father, a retired AF Chief.


“But war, in a good cause, is not the greatest evil which a nation can suffer. War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things: the decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks nothing worth a war, is worse. When a people are used as mere human instruments for firing cannon or thrusting bayonets, in the service and for the selfish purposes of a master, such war degrades a people. A war to protect other human beings against tyrannical injustice – a war to give victory to their own ideas of right and good, and which is their own war, carried on for an honest purpose by their free choice – is often the means of their regeneration. A man who has nothing which he is willing to fight for, nothing which he cares more about than he does about his personal safety, is a miserable creature who has no chance of being free, unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself. As long as justice and injustice have not terminated their ever-renewing fight for ascendancy in the affairs of mankind, human beings must be willing, when need is, to do battle for the one against the other.”
John Stuart Mill (1806-1873), “The Contest in America.” Harper's New Monthly Magazine, Volume 24, Issue 143, page 683-684. Harper & Bros., New York, April 1862.

 

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So, shit happens? (well, not to you, chickenhawk)

Hey look, it's the shit slinging, can't debate, "doesn't post here anymore' moron.

 

[.]

Hey look, it's the shit slinging, can't debate, "doesn't post here anymore' moron.

Well played, chickenhawk.

 

[.]

Well played, chickenhawk.

Same to you, communist moron.

 

[Suzie Q]

Same to you, communist moron.

Goodness, you are such a sweetheart, Brent.

 

[none]

John H,

England did stand alone in the very early going during WWII. And did a bang up job against the Nazis, given her limitations in a/c, men, and industrial base.

However, through lend lease, the US provided invaluable help to England (and ultimately, all of Europe) by supplying equipment, aircraft, manpower, etc., even though our country wasn't yet officially in the war. How many Americans, Canadians, and Aussies flew with the RAF in those dark days, because they recognized the threat from Germany, and wanted to do their part in the effort?

And don't forget, it's still debated to this day why Hitler didn't proceed with the invasion of England, and instead turned his attention to the east, and Russia. Germany would have crushed the UK if they had proceeded according to their original plan, and not opened another front by launching Barbarossa.

Don't minimize the US contribution to your freedom today. No doubt in my mind that Europe WOULD be speaking German today, if it weren't for the help of the US.

Your dad was a hero, and you should be very proud of him and his ultimate sacrifice in helping to secure YOUR freedom

What do think he would say about you viewpoints today, regarding the neccessity of war, and all that goes with it?

Best regards.

 

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Goodness, you are such a sweetheart, Brent.

Likewise

 

[Hutch]

John H,

England did stand alone in the very early going during WWII. And did a bang up job against the Nazis, given her limitations in a/c, men, and industrial base.

However, through lend lease, the US provided invaluable help to England (and ultimately, all of Europe) by supplying equipment, aircraft, manpower, etc., even though our country wasn't yet officially in the war. How many Americans, Canadians, and Aussies flew with the RAF in those dark days, because they recognized the threat from Germany, and wanted to do their part in the effort?

And don't forget, it's still debated to this day why Hitler didn't proceed with the invasion of England, and instead turned his attention to the east, and Russia. Germany would have crushed the UK if they had proceeded according to their original plan, and not opened another front by launching Barbarossa.

Don't minimize the US contribution to your freedom today. No doubt in my mind that Europe WOULD be speaking German today, if it weren't for the help of the US.

Your dad was a hero, and you should be very proud of him and his ultimate sacrifice in helping to secure YOUR freedom

What do think he would say about you viewpoints today, regarding the neccessity of war, and all that goes with it?

Best regards.

Steve, l agree with what you say, the UK Government only finished paying off this year the $31.4 billion in vast amounts of war material between 1941 and 1945 lent to it by your US Government.

The reason why Hitler didn't proceed with the invasion of England was because the RAF had defeated the German Luftwaffe and had air superiority. Hitler couldn't go ahead with his sea and airborne invasion of Britain without air superiority.

lt wasn't just Americans, Canadians, and Aussies who flew with the RAF in those dark days, there were also New Zealanders, Czechs, South Africans, Irish, Free French, Belgians & Jamaicans. And the best foreign fighter pilots of all were the Polish who wanted to kill as many Luftwaffe crews as possible, because Hitler had invaded Poland.

l never minimize the US contribution made to Britain during WWII. Santa Pod Raceway was home to the USAAF 92nd Bombardment Group who flew B-17 Flying Fortresses from Podington Airfield to pound Nazi Germany during WWII.

Please visit nitromaniac's photos and albums on webshots and look at my photos of the Podington Airfield, Chelveston 305th Bomb Group Memorials and the Imperial War Museum, Duxford.

Roll of Honour - Cambridgeshire - American Cemetery, Madingley this is a place l visit every time l go to Cambridgeshire. l give my respects to the Americans who paid the ultimate sacrifice and died fighting with the British so people like myself could live.

 

[ProStockJunkie]

l give my respects to the Americans who paid the ultimate sacrifice and died fighting with the British so people like myself could live.

While I full well know that you cannot comprehend this truth John, there are Iraqi people who are right now thankful for all of our young men and woman in the US Armed forces who have paid the ultimate sacrifice and died fighting the terrorists so that they too, may live free. The fighting is far from over and the ultimate outcome depends on all of the Iraqis who, unlike Britain, were not a free nation prior to the war. It is not the same by any stretch of the imagination.

You'd do yourself and others a favor if you would read something else besides the Liberal Left rags who serve Kool-Aid every day to people gullible enough to swallow it. There's lots of things wrong with this war, as I'm certain there was with every war since the history of man. However, communications are better now then ever before in that same history, and people are more aware. That does NOT mean the war is not worth fighting.

The fact that public opinion is against this war, doesn't mean that the "public" has any qualifications whatsoever, to say we shouldn't be there.
We were all told before the first shots were fired, that this would be a long war, with many casualties and many sacrifices of our young men and women....... some facts that the media has conveniently omitted in it's unbridled hatred for this sitting president. If you chose to be caught up in all that crap.... it IS your choice.

But please don't come on an American message board and expect to get support for your bashing of our country and what we do. The loss of life in 'friendly fire' is a tragedy and there is plenty of grief over this incident to go around. But please don't use it as a platform to further bash our country and our involvement in this war.

 

[none]

John,

You sound like a well read person regarding the war.

Have you read "Franklin and Winston, An Intimate Portrait of an Epic Friendship" by Jon Meacham? A very good read which you might enjoy.

WC has always been a hero of mine, for many, many reasons...

Steve

 

[Nitrohaulic]

A: Bill O'Rielly has no son serving. B: He aint gonna kick no ones ass.
You remembered wrong.

A. You're correct. Bill has a nephew who enlisted in the Army.

B. Bill's words to Donahue. "And he's a patriot, so don't denigrate his service or I'll boot you right off the set!!!"

 

[Alan]

It's war ---- bad things occur, and will continue to occur until we are done. That's the way it is and will be.


To the English chappy that started this 'conversation' ---- you seem real fast to blame US pilots and make the assumption that it was their fault. Maybe the Brit's gave poor coordinates............you seem to be a U.S. hater, so perhaps you should re-locate to France....

 

[Hutch]

It's war ---- bad things occur, and will continue to occur until we are done. That's the way it is and will be.


To the English chappy that started this 'conversation' ---- you seem real fast to blame US pilots and make the assumption that it was their fault. Maybe the Brit's gave poor coordinates............you seem to be a U.S. hater, so perhaps you should re-locate to France....

You should go back to school and learn about your countries history.

During the American War of Independence, between 1775 and 1783. France played a key role in aiding the revolution, providing the Americans with money and munitions, organizing a coalition against Britain, and sending an army and a fleet that played a decisive role at the battle that effectively ended the war at Yorktown.

The Statue of Liberty was a gift of friendship from the people of France to the people of the United States The Statue of Liberty was dedicated on October 28, 1886.

French Fries - the straightforward explanation of the term is that it means potatoes fried in the French sense of the verb: "to fry"

l love America, l've been on vacation to your country fifteen times since 1978, l cannot stand France.

l'm not a US hater, it's just that a lot of people on this message board can't stand criticism of their country.

Steve Scott who replied to my thread is the only person who spoke any sense.

 

[willy]

We kicked your ass once, John..don't make me come over there..

 

[mike cummings]

Well played, chickenhawk.

You are so quick to throw out the "chickenhawk" moniker. Tell me, what is your military background and how do you know these people you so freely call a chickenhawk have never served?