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Darr,

I stand corrected. The point being that if the event was a success, NHRA as well as Tom and Graham would be happy. Saying that NHRA would hate the March Meet being a big hit, and attracting a ton of cool cars and fans, would be like saying that NASCAR would be pissed because the Truck Series had a good event at a track they controlled.

And I would have loved to be there as well, but I was at the division race in Tucson. And business is business they pay me to be there.

Alan

Alan,

There's always that Tucson Divisional race, when will they learn not to be on the same weekend?

It's really funny to hear the rampant paranoia that Tom Compton came all the way to the Patch to survey it's future Monetization by the evil empire. Wow, he didn't even demand a golf cart or chauffeur, he and Jerry walked the pits all the way to the top end turn out road and back.

Many haters need to get a life.

See you soon Alan. :D

Darr
 
Darr,

Graham told me at the Phoenix divisional that Mike Rice better be back for Tucson because he (Graham) was going to Bakersfield and wasn't going to miss it for anything. I wonder how many people remember that Graham was a pretty good Top Fuel Driver back in the day, and that raced against and is still friends with most of the guys who were there.

I also wonder why it seems to be impossible for some people to just say "The March Meet was the best event ever" without slamming the National events or taking a poke at the NHRA Brass.

Alan
 
I also wonder why it seems to be impossible for some people to just say "The March Meet was the best event ever" without slamming the National events or taking a poke at the NHRA Brass.

Alan

People are always going to take cheap shots at NHRA, whether they are deserved or not...whatever.

What drives me nuts is the constant pitting of big show nitro racing against nostalgia nitro racing. It's just a complete waist of time.
 


I also wonder why it seems to be impossible for some people to just say "The March Meet was the best event ever" without slamming the National events...

Alan

My "10 times better than a National" comment wasn't meant as a "slam".
Nats are way fun. I try to go to as many as I can. I spend a lot of money going to Nats.
Also, my exact words were "...best March meet ever", not best event ever.
But seriously, come to March meet. You will really really really enjoy it.

Now let's talk about those rabid ADRL fans. LOL
 
There seems to be a prevailing attitude by SOME Nostalgia fans, that if it's not Nostalgia it's not REAL Drag racing! I would have LOVED to be able to say I saw Prudhomme, Jungle Jim and others race in the 70's. But I never got that chance, so 1989 to Current Drag racing is all I have to remember when I'm 70 Years old. Do I hate Nostalgia racing, not at all! I've met several Old timers in the Cackle pits at a few races, love the stories.

But like Reinhart said, there's this "Us vs Them" attitude some Nostalgia fans have towards anybody who goes to NHRA Natl. events. Like we're sellouts or something...:rolleyes:
 
Hey, I grew up in that era too, so I absolutely love the "Throw Back Funnies", but I too am kind of bothered by the spirit of this thread. Why would Tom Compton and the NHRA be worried? Sorry to say, but most present day gearheads surely would prefer an 18 car field of 300mph thunder, any day over 32 detuned, alcohol funny cars with a little "Pop"in the tank.;)
 
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................But like Reinhart said, there's this "Us vs Them" attitude some Nostalgia fans have towards anybody who goes to NHRA Natl. events. Like we're sellouts or something...:rolleyes:
That's funny as hell, sounds like the same with the old beer gutted guys, in white "Domestic" car T-shirts, that bash imports at the local car shows perhaps? DOH :eek:
 
I really see the appeal of nostalgia racing, especially now with the possibility of short fields, 100ft etc, but its just not for some people just like anything else in drag racing or any other kind of racing for that matter. I for one love it but I would like to see 70's rear engine dragster nostalgia sometime soon
 

I also wonder why it seems to be impossible for some people to just say "The March Meet was the best event ever" without slamming the National events or taking a poke at the NHRA Brass.

Alan

Alan-

I've posted twice to this site in two years and I've never taken any shots at the NHRA or its events, but there is are issues here that you, in defending your turf, should not miss...

I started my professional photography career at a young age, and photographed some national events back in the 70's for ND. At Les Lovett's paternal insistence, I went to college and never pursued a career as a racing photographer, and I basically stopped following the sport in the early 80's. I've gotten back into the sport in the last 8 years (basically thanks to the internet and ESPN) and have gone to Englishtown for the last couple years. I've had a great time at those events and I'm absolutely amazed at the advances in the sport, both in the cars and the quality of the packaged entertainment experience...NHRA national events are very well organized and run events.

But I got to go the the March Meet this year at the last minute (I'm from Boston but I landed a shoot in LA for this week so I went out a few days early). I went because of the history that MM represents, but having never attended a nostalgia race, I didn't know what to expect from an entertainment point of view.

I gotta tell you, I walked away (staggered, really) Sunday evening saying to myself that I'd just witnessed the best drag racing event of my life. It offered everything that I had only fantasized about when I was a teenager back in New Jersey about all that California drag racing was...non-stop, wall-to-wall, kill-or-be-killed competition with huge fields of every class of car that makes this sport so appealing. I had the sense that what I'd just seen was what maybe attending The Last Drag Race may have been like, without the sadness that followed that race.

The huge numbers of dragsters, altereds, gassers, PLUS the huge field of floppers and fuelers, all competing for the glory of being the last man standing, left me breathless. Run after run, round after round, the excitement continually built, and it was so fantastically thrilling to see these fields whittled down to the final pairs. Sure, the modern day sport has extremely close competition and the shows are very well run, but with the same basic fields race after race, it's much more about entertainment for the paying customer than it is competing to win the day.

Watching James Warren, Don Ewald, Tommy Ivo, Roland Leong, Steve Plueger, and a bunch of other geezers salivating at the notion of WINNING for the sake of winning instead of satisfying contractual obligations to put a rolling billboard in front of eyeballs gave me great hope that maybe this sport, this world, hasn't lost sight of what matters after all.

I hasten to add that it's ridiculous to suggest that NHRA should somehow change it's model to revert to one that's based on a simpler time, but it says a lot that I would much rather go back to Bakersfield next year than to Englishtown this year...this sport that we both love might benefit from a deliberative look back on its past to see what's missing in today's paradigm.
 
The huge numbers of dragsters, altereds, gassers, PLUS the huge field of floppers and fuelers, all competing for the glory of being the last man standing, left me breathless. Run after run, round after round, the excitement continually built, and it was so fantastically thrilling to see these fields whittled down to the final pairs.

About 8pm ish, all classes except hot rod were finished, the winners in the lanes waiting for their turn in the winner's circle, the Jack Harris team patiently waiting..... the hot rod category was hot lapping, and this one little VW Karman ghia was slaying all-comers.

There were about 30 of us spectators left, waiting in the stands, and the little v-dub won it! We all cheered for that quirky twist of an ending. Good stuff.

btw, HOORAY to Jeff Gaynor, it was really special seeing the 5's, the win, and the winner's circle ceremony for that team.
 
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Darr,

Graham told me at the Phoenix divisional that Mike Rice better be back for Tucson because he (Graham) was going to Bakersfield and wasn't going to miss it for anything. I wonder how many people remember that Graham was a pretty good Top Fuel Driver back in the day, and that raced against and is still friends with most of the guys who were there.

I also wonder why it seems to be impossible for some people to just say "The March Meet was the best event ever" without slamming the National events or taking a poke at the NHRA Brass.

Alan

Thank you Alan. Do you people honestly think if NHRA changed to rules so the cars would be similar to the ones at Bakersfield, that there would be 30 plus funny cars 24 times a year? I think not. When you only run 2-4 times a year you don't need a major sponsor!
 
Hey, I grew up in that era too, so I absolutely love the "Throw Back Funnies", but I too am kind of bothered by the spirit of this thread. Why would Tom Compton and the NHRA be worried? Sorry to say, but most present day gearheads surely would prefer an 18 car field of 300mph thunder, any day over 32 detuned, alcohol funny cars with a little "Pop"in the tank.;)

If you call 90+ % a "little pop", then you are correct. These are not "Alcohol" cars. The people that tune these things are very bright people. Take a big show motor, put on a small 6-71 at 18% OD max, 21 gallon pump, small points mag, and 34.5" tires with a 3 disk clutch and see how hard it is to get one of these things to run without eating everything up. These cars are running faster than they did when they were "modern".




Justin Grant
 
When you only run 2-4 times a year you don't need a major sponsor!

Last post, I promise.. for today....

I don't know who only runs 2-4 times per year. The Don Schumacher's Wonder Wagon made 18 events last year. Most ran 8-10 events. I pay the same price for my Nitro, Oil, Pistons, Rings, Bearings, Diesel, Hotel, Food, etc as the big show cars. It is not cheep!
 
I feel as though I lit the fuse on this topic. Fact is, I'm uncertain about the big show anymore. I'll admit that it must be hard to overlook the prestige that comes with being a pro in the big show, but something is missing, and Alan, I'd really want your point of view in return. Feel free to disagree, as that may give pause and cause one to think, but hear me out first.

I grew up with dragracing in So Cal. Born in 64, lived in Long Beach till 79 when we moved back east. I was very fortunate to experience Lions, Irwindale, OCIR. I remember going to OCIR the Wed before the Winternats would kick off, and there would be a huge gathering of pros, many prostockers would be there getting in some last min shakedowns before heading over the hill to Pomona. When you would arrive at the Fairgrounds, it didn't look any more packed than it does now, but bear in mind, the rigs back then were smaller, taking up less space, so there were more cars jammed in the place. Funny Car and Top Fuel was like sensory overload. You had all the touring pros there, but the number of regional,, heck just the number of those in So Cal that would make it to the event, 30 plus cars in each fuel class was typical. Throw in Pro Stock (which was way *****en back then), add to it Pro Comp (still miss that class), Comp, Modified, S/S, and Stock. Fact is, it was just so different back then. The vibe was different, the type of effort (not less/more, just different), the sport was just way different.

Now it is amazing to see what the sport has become now. I may be selfish, but always felt that drag racing was a racers sport, and then some. We had great leadership with Wally keeping us organized, and I do believe he helped keep the sport realistic in what it is. Now it seems that the sport is a comodity to be sold, marketed, and pushed onto a 'target demographic' that frankly doesn't get what drag racing really is down in it's soul. In fact, the big show, as impressive as it has become, it seems that it had to sell it's soul to make it to where it is now, and if that seems to fit, then perhaps that soul isn't there anymore for the "new fans" to experience.

Does this mean I won't take in a Nat event? not hardly, but that excitement I used to have when making the trek to the race just isn't there like it used to be. But that is just the way I feel, and I do not expect many in the bleachers to see it as I do.

My own experience on how it changed probably jaded me more than the average person. When I finished my tour in the Air Force, I had it in my head that I wanted to chase the dream and drive in the sport I loved. I didn't have a sugar daddy to back me, so I looked towards guys like Whit and Hoffman as inspiration on how to do it on guts and grit. I got involved with a TAFC team here in Fla, ended up buying the car (rolling) when a new car arrived. I learned the ropes while scrimping and saving to peice together a decent alky flopper, hoping to race a few divisionals, maybe hit the Gators and Atlanta. That didn't happen when new technology came in, forcing your hand to either step up or step out; I had to step out and re-think how I was going to get out there.

As luck would have it, a couple of guys down here in the South East formed a partnership to go top fuel racing in the big show. A third party partial to my dream pitched the idea of me driving for them. After a few phone calls, I head up to their location, check out the operation, get checked out in the car, and start moving in a direction that I thought would never happen. To help the process, I upgraded my S/C license to TAD, and proceed to work on the marketing for sponsors. I managed to get the interest of a company who is a subcontractor to Boeing, and also a military contractor as a sponsor to be, then it happened, 9/11; next you know, funding is cut off, then the partners in the team have a disagreement, leading to attorneys getting involved. Finally I said "this isn't like I thought it would be".

All the while this is happeneing, I was also spending more and more time out west with the growing nostalgia drag scene. I started to find that same soul, that same vibe that I remembered as a kid was still alive. I looked at my pile of parts that represented the unrealized dream of driving my own car, and then the notion came to me that another path is opening; switch gears and convert over to nostalgia funny. While working on this, I end up helping Brendan Murry with his AA/FD, and before you know it, the same desire that once existed is back again. The reason why we want to do this is fresh again, the effort that it takes really seems to be worth it, rather than an excersise in futility.

So I guess what I see is that drag racing as it once was, the sport and gathering of like minded people has been recaptured and repackaged into what is now the heritage series, and various independant shows. This deal isn't for sale, and I hope that nobody trys to sell it. It is only so big, kinda like a microcosm in drag racing, and so it shall remain, kind of like a place you can go home to.
 
Yes, but I assume you do it for the love of the sport. Which is how it should be. I really hate it when someone in the big show says we have no sponsor so we parked it. Yes I know it takes alot of Money, A Lot.

But there are still people that run Drag racing cars because they love the sport and find ways to do it. Thanks Justin I can only assume you are one of them.

I also would like to see a 70s Rear Engine Top Fuel reunion with wheel fairings, 6-71, one mag, straight up wings etc. & Names like Jade Grenade, Preying Mantis, Wheeler Dealer, Rain For Rent, Swamp Rat, The Snake wedge, Jerry Ruth, Tommy Ivo, Dick Lahaie.

Hey I think we have enough for an 8 car field, "Lets Race"

Even if they just "Cackel"
 

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richard pasely and dale smith,
thanks for your posts.
very accurate thoughts IMO.
 
Dale that was a great post. We're close in age, so I remember much of the same stuff, and for me the memories are magical. My dad was racing from the mid 60s to early 70s in A/A, and to this day, I get a funny feeling inside come late August as Indy approaches. Like everything in this world, nothing stays the same, certainly not a sport that has been around for well over 50 years. My dad went to Bakersfield last year and said it was unreal, like stepping into a time warp, the track gave him the feeling of being at Niagara drag strip 40 years ago. We both really enjoy the big show, and while he lives in Phoenix, we try to attend Indy each year. Point is, there's a place for both, and I think we're lucky that the sport is big enough to support each type of racing with a full schedule of events. I say we should take in as much as we can, while we can!!
 
For what it's worth, here is my .02 cents worth.

The national events are for the corporate-driven Pro's, the Nostalgia's are for the pure love of the sport, not that the Pro's don't love it, but most Pro's won't run without the corporate money whereas Nostalgia's put their money where their heart is.

I know some local NTF racers who do it strictly for the love and although they can't make competition runs because the car won't pass tech, they are at as many Nostalgia races as financially possible. They fire the car up in the pits and do the cackles on their own dime, and 98% nitro isn't cheap.

This local NTF team is what really inspired me to finish my car. Whenever we go to the races, we have a great time, each and every time. Before meeting these great group of guys, I always thought that if my car would not "run the numbers", I would not run the car, and "running the numbers" takes quite a bit of money. Now, I'm building my car for the love and fun of the sport.

Once my car is completed, I WILL run at Nostalgia events. I will still attend local National events and try my hand in Top Dragster, but if I don't qualify, I will still be having fun doing something I LOVE to do!

And Nunzio, tell your Dad that I haven't finished my fuel tank yet, been pretty busy lately, but am shooting for the March 21'st weekend. Please tell him to call me when he gets a chance.
 
When you only run 2-4 times a year you don't need a major sponsor!
Craig there are other races besides the Heritage Series (they run 8 races) but since you say it's only 2-4 times a year would you like to sponsor my NE 1 car for those 2-4 times?
 
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