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Why is Elite struggling? (10 Viewers)

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Is the fuel really that different that Elite suddenly dropped a Tenth in performance? I’m sure they have been working their asses off; really surprised Elite is still so far behind KB. Is it more that fuel change? I am really curious. Can anyone chime in? Alan?
 
i would be amazed if fuel type would make that much of a difference across the board. Plug the old fuel and setup into a couple of cars, during the many test session, they have and see if the cars come back to life and you'll have an answer?. I suspect the answer is, as previously stated, Elite had some key personnel battling illness and that stymied their progress or either KB Titan stepped up their game big time over the last few months
 
Is the fuel really that different that Elite suddenly dropped a Tenth in performance? I’m sure they have been working their asses off; really surprised Elite is still so far behind KB. Is it more that fuel change? I am really curious. Can anyone chime in? Alan?
They lost Mark Ingersol to illness and I think his loss really has them struggling. Is it the fuel? who knows but I do know somebody that I trust tell me he liked the Sunoco better than the VP. EE was back within .04 in rd 1 and hopefully for them that's a good sign.
 
They lost Mark Ingersol to illness and I think his loss really has them struggling. Is it the fuel? who knows but I do know somebody that I trust tell me he liked the Sunoco better than the VP. EE was back within .04 in rd 1 and hopefully for them that's a good sign.
Yeah I was shocked and glad to see she picked up 6 tenths overnight.
 
KB Titan does seem to have a power advantage, in particular Glenn and Anderson, but Erica was .06 slower than Matt Hartford in Q2 despite both of them having nearly identical trap speed (209 and some change). Even the 660 speeds were nearly identical despite Hartford having an .05 ET advantage at that point.

I can understand Freeman publicly showing concern over the VP fuel - he's not about to throw his crew chiefs under the bus during a trackside interview - but I'm not willing to blame the fuel for such a drop in performance down low. There's several potential areas to look at but my crystal ball says the problem may lie in the bellhousing.

Elite Motorsports isn't staffed by a bunch of doofuses. Enders herself who has vast experience with how these cars work likely knows or at least suspects what's going on. Whatever it is, the whole team has simply lost the handle on the setup and sometimes those things take weeks if not months to pinpoint the problem and correct it. They'll figure it out; Freeman is no quitter.
 
She was .07 behind in qualifying but picked up .03 in rd 1 but that's good in P/S.
Glad to see that, .987 to the 60 is better and especially her .019 RT. Still, that .03 improvement was likely due to improved DA - Anderson and Glenn also picked up, each running 6.48s. Erica's 6.52@210mph doesn't stand a chance against two KB cars running .970s 60-foots, .04 quicker ETs and 3mph faster (213 vs 210). Better pull one of those double-0 reaction times out of the hat, sweetie....:)

But at least it's going the right way.
 
Not an engineer, asking out of total ignorance - if the MPH is there, could it be a chassis set up issue?
could it just the be clutch setup? Greg Anderson Constantly outruns the field by 3 or 4 hundredths yet i believe his MPH is typically middle of the pack
 
Ever consider the engine whisperers of Hendrick's Nascar teams might have whispered a thing or two in Greg's ears? When Jason Line joined KB Racing from JGR, they took a big step forward.
 
Ever consider the engine whisperers of Hendrick's Nascar teams might have whispered a thing or two in Greg's ears? When Jason Line joined KB Racing from JGR, they took a big step forward.
When they won 15 races one year and was making perfect run after perfect run NHRA issued a shock clarification rule for P/S and they came back to the pack. They started spinning and shaking the tires.
 
When they won 15 races one year and was making perfect run after perfect run NHRA issued a shock clarification rule for P/S and they came back to the pack. They started spinning and shaking the tires.
no! they came back to the pack when Gregs engine builder started blabbing their technology to other teams. It was reported that Allen Johnson was the team using the super $$ shocks!
 
no! they came back to the pack when Gregs engine builder started blabbing their technology to other teams. It was reported that Allen Johnson was the team using the super $$ shocks!
I follow P/S closely and I'm telling you it was when the shock clarification rule was implemented that they came back to the pack. That's my opinion and you have yours.
 
How long did it take for everyone to catch up to KB when the 2016 fuel injection rule went into effect? Seemed like all season.
 
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