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Why is 1320 so important to you guys?

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Why is a return to 1320 so important

  • Because of the History of the Sport

    Votes: 96 53.6%
  • Because it would be better racing

    Votes: 29 16.2%
  • Because I want to see SPEED

    Votes: 2 1.1%
  • I'm ok with 1000' racing

    Votes: 52 29.1%

  • Total voters
    179
Getting to the real question, is this really a Pipe-rack Problem, or just the flip-tops?

Leave the Racks alone, and let them go back to 1320.

Flops? Shorten the Blower case 1.5", limit to max of 25% over, and cut the spill plate height 50%, The rest should take care of itself.

d'kid
 
LEE BEARD: KEEP THE CREW CHIEF IN THE EQUATION


Lee makes a great point, even if pipe racks hit 330 at a 1000, after dumping the laundry, they are at 300 at 1320.... so, problem solved, we have 300 mph pipe racks at 1/4 mile, nothing changes... are we trying to sell 300mph to the unwashed masses, who wouldn't know 1000ft from 1320 if you didn't tell them, and question why the car ain't running 3.9 seconds like on TV.

I dare anyone to walk outside, and tell me when they've walked 1/4 klick, 1000 feet, or a 1/4 mile...

by the way, I walk just short of 2000 feet, each way, every day, back and forth to work, 1/10th and a half to the corner, then 1020 feet to the office front door.

d'kid
 
Do you think if on June 21, 2008 if they had not been racing 2008 race cars on a 1960 track, this subject would have not even been discussed?
 
Well....here are the results..

Because of the History of the Sport 86 52.76%
Because it would be better racing 29 17.79%
Because I want to see SPEED 2 1.23%
I'm ok with 1000' racing 46 28.22%

A total of 163 people voted in this thread..... I wonder how many people will attend Chicago this weekend? And how many of them would vote...and what would they vote for...
 
As a fairly seasoned surveyor, I can pace on level ground within 30' (sometimes closer) of a quarter mile.

Barry, you're like me, you walk a lot... my stride is 24", so I can do all 3 plus or minus ten steps or so (counting... Old age, forget where I am sometime) figures I'd bump into an EA (SEABEE here)...

d'kid
 
Barry, you're like me, you walk a lot... my stride is 24", so I can do all 3 plus or minus ten steps or so (counting... Old age, forget where I am sometime) figures I'd bump into an EA (SEABEE here)...

d'kid

I was waiting for someone to call me a liar. This was unexpected. The hard part is definitely keeping up with the count. I extend a finger from my fist for every hundred feet when pacing longer distances.
 
I was waiting for someone to call me a liar. This was unexpected. The hard part is definitely keeping up with the count. I extend a finger from my fist for every hundred feet when pacing longer distances.

Would never do that, mine is 22.5" ...had to have matching stride length over a measured distance... can do that in my sleep if necessary.
 
I was waiting for someone to call me a liar. This was unexpected. The hard part is definitely keeping up with the count. I extend a finger from my fist for every hundred feet when pacing longer distances.

Barry,
Just noticed you're from Gulfport, you are or was a SEABEE at some point?

d'kid
 
Barry,
Just noticed you're from Gulfport, you are or was a SEABEE at some point?

d'kid

No, never was a SEABEE. Just been land surveying (and river) since 1978. I have met several SEABEES (jobs and at the bowling alley) since I've been here. That would have been the branch of service I could have fit in the best. If I could only go back in time.
 
Did a little checkin gang. First 1,000ft was Mile High, TF top speed was 308.
Best 1/4mi speed was Tony Shoes 336. So TF slowed 28mph dropping to 1K.

Now with the progress the crew chiefs have made in two years, TF has gone 325mph in 1K. So if nhra goes back to 1320 it's safe to say TF would run 350+mph. Just think of the changes nhra would have to make to slow them 50mph to around 300 in the 1/4,........... A lot more then a smaller fuel pump.
 
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Did a little checkin gang. First 1,000ft was Mile High, TF top speed was 308.
Best 1/4mi speed was Tony Shoes 336. So TF slowed 28mph dropping to 1K.

Now with the progress the crew chiefs have made in two years, TF has gone 325mph in 1K. So if nhra goes back to 1320 it's safe to say TF would run 350+mph. Just think of the changes nhra would have to make to slow them 50mph to around 300 in the 1/4,........... A lot more then a smaller fuel pump.

[sarcasm]maybe they should just shorten the track to 800 or 900 feet to slow them down to 300MPH, it would make the racing closer and improve the shutdown area...[/scarcasm]
 
......Best 1/4mi speed was Tony Shoes 336.............

2005: 337 mph @ BIR.

cars can not keep getting faster and quicker: somewhere there is
a limit within the confines of what the nhra is trying to do; regardless
of horsepower or track length.

how about instead of continually messing around with the ubiquitous
500c.i. nitro hemi, why not introduce different engine combinations
and ground effects; suddenly you mite have totally different configurations
racing against each other and wouldn't that be cool
 
Heres the problem with NHRA sometimes IMHO, They try to do too much for one thing, I remember back in 07 when Mike Dunn was talking on NHRA Raceday about the nightitme sessions and how drivers/teams didn't like it because the higher up in the list you are the later you run, NHRA now has basically made night qualifying a form of luck (in the exception of 3 or 4 events) on the tour and not a gimme, you don't have a 7:30 Pro Stocks, 8:15 TF/FC Situation no more, of course a couple years ago they started the top 12 thing to make it easier for teams to make the field if they falter on Friday. That said NHRA now is doing 2 things to make it fair when now one of them isn't really necessary. Granted it's apples to oranges I said before that redoing the sand pits may have been the 1 thing to do, I even believe 1000 ft was kinda pushing it unless there were tracks that called for it because of the lack of shutdown distance, trying to change the engines, fuel, smaller pumps etc etc, that's certainly pushing it because any way you slice it a TF or FC will always have risks and boomers. And once again NHRA doesn't need to overlap itself with using every way in the book to make them safe, I say Shutdown Area changes only can cut it enough, and to an extent 1000 when the track length past 1320 calls for it. There are tracks where their Shutdowns are long and sometimes they have to get pushed up and off the track.

My 2 Cents
 
Did a little checkin gang. First 1,000ft was Mile High, TF top speed was 308.
Best 1/4mi speed was Tony Shoes 336. So TF slowed 28mph dropping to 1K.....AT A RACE TRACK WHICH WAS SITTING BETWEEN 9000-11000 CORRECT ALTITUDE ALL WEEKEND...AND AT THE FIRST RACE AT 1000' WHEN EVERY TUNER WAS WONDERING...WELL...NOW WHAT DO WE DO...?

in the interest of fair reporting I fixed it for ya Zappy...
 
Thanks Tim. I know Denver sits high, but that effects the PS folks far more than the blower folks. Anyway, I was just lookin to see roughly how much MPH change the 1K move made.

My point being, if ya give them back the 1320, yet you want to keep them at approx 300MPH, I'tll take more than just a smaller pump. (imo)

Thats why I say, leave the cars (and motors) alone and stay at 1K. No R+D, no parts obsolete, no new cost to teams.
 
I used to love going to the IROC races...I don't like nascar but I went to see IROC at Daytona for several years. It put the races in the hands of the driver.

It was great. Maybe Lee Beard likes the challenge of going 330 at 1000' but I don't see the point in it. It's not fun to watch. JMO.
 
Someone else here said they like a good top end charge, but he's just a fan.
Me 2...but what the heck is a top end charge anymore..doesn't happen..
 
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