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What Can't The NHRA Do This? (2 Viewers)

With declining attendance, at best two National events a year that draw a somewhat decent crowd barring bad weather, and the cost of real estate, IF they could get zoning permission (friendly town council??), where do some of you get the idea that tracks can just extend the shutdown area as needed to get back to 1320? Who's supposed to foot the bill for that, especially since they are already making some sort of money racing at 1000 feet?

I am a huge fan of the 1320 racing of the day, as well as happy to watch a couple of wild and wooly six second passes by any class. But unless the law comes down to slow the cars to a reasonable speed for the distance they can slow down on all tracks, nobody is seriously going to consider an extension of racing surface on a few tracks that will allow quater mile runs safely.

Maybe the next generation of the sport will require that no less than a mile of racing and stopping surface be required before sanctioning is granted and ground is broken, just to contend with cars that will be within striking distance of 380 within a decade (if the tires hold up).

E-Town is my home track. Friendly town council? Absolutely not, i'm surprise they made it the almost 50 years they been around. They keep building more and more around the area of the track and I just keep crossing my fingers more and more. They tried to shut the track down several times. As far as an extension, not there. There's really no room where the current trap is and where pension road begins.
 
2234 is the total from tree to sandbox -1320 = 914. How is that wrong, that's what it is. I'm going by the chart and 2234 feet - 1320 feet will give you a shutdown (finish line to sand box) of 914 feet, my math is 100% in line with the data supplied, so if i'm wrong, the chart must be first. Either way I am guessing how accurate the chart is because from memory, video, and pictures, some look alot longer than the chart states.

Stats book.....

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Whew...
 
E Town was my home track from the mid seventies until I came back to the west in the eighties. I was on the starting line when Sammy Miller clocked a 4.80 in 79'... At that moment, it was known that racing on that track as we knew it was never going to keep up with the future... I'm surprised it's lasted as long as it did (Sammy told me that the trees were coming up on him at an unbelievable rate as he was HARD on the binders- enough to smoke the body bubbles on the front fenders).

And Englishtown is one of the crown jewels on the NHRA circuit. And it's not big enough for the sport we've become.

Is the fix longer tracks or slower cars? :confused:
 
Dang, it's Christmas Eve, and you guys are still argueing with Patrick???

Merry Christmas everyone......

That is all, carry on.;)
 
Sure I may be wrong at times like that, im looking to either make friends or no friends on here not foes. Everyone relates my inaccuaracy at times on here to my stats book, these facts are not book related. Please everyone quit thinking I use mater to write the book or the facts I write on mater are related to the book, because they are not. Merry Christmas in advance to everyone
 
Patrick,
Since you have this all figured out, do you happen to know how many insurance carriers cover motorsports events?

Here's a hint, stop counting when you get to two.

You were close to saying it correctly earlier...the insurance company mandated the move to 1000' after Scott's tragic impact with a tv camera boom. They will not write a policy for anything beyond that for fuel cars now.

Then how does the IHRA Nitro Jam get away with it? They run 4.60's@320+ over there no problem!
 
Englishtown, stripe to sand WITHOUT QUESTION!!

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I do believe Scott's impact with a tv camera boom and the post (net anchor) was the only reason we lost him. The length of the sand trap had very little to do with the loss of Scott.

An article in the Detroit News sated Jon O saying Scott was thrown from the car upon impacting the anchor post.
 
I do believe Scott's impact with a tv camera boom and the post (net anchor) was the only reason we lost him. The length of the sand trap had very little to do with the loss of Scott.

An article in the Detroit News sated Jon O saying Scott was thrown from the car upon impacting the anchor post.

I would agree 100%. He died from the impact and the explosion. I heard exactly what happend when they found him. I don't wanna go there. He would still be alive if it was not for the impact that led to the explosion.
 
Yes, and they have held radio control drag race events there also.

Really, I was unaware of that. I looked on youtube and at the stuff TRAXXAS makes, it's insane. I seen some hit 130 MPH on Nitromethane and all. They are a pretty penny. At minimum 800-1000
 
Thanks and I understand it now. That chart needs a better legend. The red line deal is what ruined it for me cause it made me think the legend was wrong.

Thanks to a few adult beverages and a patient explainer, I see that too. The red line, as explained to me, is misinformation. The graph is probably correct and the data is right... The red line marking is totally unnecessary.
 
those who have their head up their ass, should never alter original charts

Thanks to a few adult beverages and a patient explainer, I see that too. The red line, as explained to me, is misinformation. The graph is probably correct and the data is right... The red line marking is totally unnecessary.

I remember seeing that chart a few years ago, that red line was never there, some numbskull added it.
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I do believe Scott's impact with a tv camera boom and the post (net anchor) was the only reason we lost him. The length of the sand trap had very little to do with the loss of Scott.

An article in the Detroit News sated Jon O saying Scott was thrown from the car upon impacting the anchor post.
I took pictures of the skid marks and the net as it was left during a subsequent swap meet in 08, the net did not completly bridge the sand trap, there were huge coil springs about 4 inches in diameter and about 6 to 8 feet long spaced about a foot apart anchored to the posts AT THE WALL. The posts were 8 or 10 inch dia ductile iron water main pipe, From the damage to the springs you can trace a route BETWEEN the springs to the immediate left of the pole which appeared to shear the right side header bank off, Tire marks ON TOP of the wall. To bits and pieces of a JLG lift control console still on the ground behind the wall. Now I don't claim to be an MVA forensics expert. But I saw no rubber on the face of the wall. This tells me there was a fatal design flaw in the net to allow a vehicle to part the anchor springs and launch over the wall, The images I have are saved on a old cell phone memory card somewhere. I never posted them but I found them disturbing.
 
At the time I was told the problem started with the tires being unable to handle the speeds. The rev limiter was implemented to slow cars down and keep them from exceeding 3xx mph so the tire problem would go away. The rev limiter created a unhappy motor and resulted in a series of motor explosions. Not being able to remove the rev limiter because of the tire situation NHRA shortened the track for fuel cars to 1000'.

Actually Scott's accident all started with an engine explosion due to the rev limiter and got quickly worse due to track issues. At least that was my understanding at the time.

Goodyear has to fix the tire problem or NHRA has to slow the cars down before racing at 1320' can ever come back. Seems like I recall Goodyear saying that they don't know how to make a tire that will allow that to happen. So IF all that is correct it's either 1000' or slower cars and based on recent performance it may be both.
 
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Re: those who have their head up their ass, should never alter original charts

I remember seeing that chart a few years ago, that red line was never there, some numbskull added it.
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one other thing I dont get why is national trail on there twice, showing it as it is and then I guess (extended).
 
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