FC138fan
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If you follow my logic then that's a bogus reason. I could be wrong though.
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What Can't The NHRA Do This?
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If you follow my logic then that's a bogus reason. I could be wrong though.
mike
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What's the matter? You don't agree with me so you have to take a shot at me? Nice! Not a thing is wrong with what I wrote. What's the idea I'm missing you tell me? I am completely accurate and I am 100% right with the insurance company and all that would increase is the cost for the extra 320 again. This sport will not survive on 1000ft. because after 10 or so years, they'll be shortened but to what? We as fans and for the growth of the sport don't need it. I agree the posts, 1320 needs to come back and give the drag race a ? for the second half again.
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vegasnitro
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Patrick, you don't "tell" insurance companies anything ... they tell you. If you think you can just pick up the phone as NHRA or Track Owner and tell the insurance company you are changing any aspect of the event weekend and that they have to "be OK with it" you are wayyyyyy out in left field.
Also, you don't ever give insurance companies a reason to increase your rates. The whole premise of 1000ft racing is safety. If you tell them you can die just as easily at 1000ft, guess what happens, liability is goin' up ...
Also, you don't ever give insurance companies a reason to increase your rates. The whole premise of 1000ft racing is safety. If you tell them you can die just as easily at 1000ft, guess what happens, liability is goin' up ...
I did not know I had to EXPLAIN that it's what you would tell them when they call you after they heard about your plans. I thought it was implied that it's the response you would give the insurance companies after the fact cause it's pretty obvious NHRA would get a call.
vegasnitro
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So you are saying you run the races to whatever distance you want and then wait for an insurance company to call you after the fact? Then you tell them to be OK with it? That sounds an awful lot like breach of contract for noncompliance to me.
In your scenario, if there is another loose wheel situation like Phoenix a couple of years ago ... and the insurance company discovers you are running quarter mile rather than 1000ft ... they cancel you for noncompliance (and probably sue you) and you are left holding the entire liability bag (and get sued by everybody).
Or, are you saying they hear about your plans to run a quarter mile before an event actually happens, they call you and you tell them to be OK with it even though your policy only covers 1000ft. They will tell you either we need a policy rewrite for those quarter mile events and a likely price increase, or that you run the event as insured to 1000ft or you are cancelled for breach. What do you do then? Because I can guarantee you telling them to "be OK with it" will not work.
I think I will buy another car and tell the insurance company that even though I now have 2 cars, they aren't going to charge me any more money and that they need to be "OK with it" and see how that works out for me. Oh right, it won't.
No, I am saying there is no breach for the continuation of events at 1000ft. but the ones that are deemed safe for 1320 the NHRA would have to call to extend the policy distance or find a new carrier for the 1320 races. Things change, new agreement is made. Who the hell would go ahead and run a race under new rules if your contracted under old ones? Your making me look bad by offering up new examples I never addressed then saying what I said to be an ok answer for your new input as it's not. "be OK with it" is obviously the NHRA not breaching anything and having the insurance company know about it.
NHRA would have to call them, because why would money trouble NHRA want to get sued? Also, I can't see them breaching a contract if they change there rules before the race was even run, sure the insurance company would be out money, but it would just mean they save money not having to pay if something happend. Wouldn't it be a wash? As far as the tire deal, that's just as prone to happen at 1000 or 1320 so it's still the same money I would think. The only variable for NHRA and insurance would be a quote and distance coverage increase
Most of the racers are pretty content with NOT going back to 1320. I'm sure that the majority of the team owners don't want to go back either. Besides the hardcore fans here, most casual fans don't have a clue..................face it, 1,000 ft. is here to stay.
Much understood, but no one gets to hear both sides of the story, us fans being for 1000 or against only really hear about the 1000ft side and it's benefits. The only way this view that I have and anyone who supports it would be considered "Selfish" is the price increase for everyone. No one is going to want to have to pay what there paying now plus addition fuel/parts cost to run an extra 320 feet. The case here is not who likes it and who doesn't, it comes down to two things:
1. NHRA let the whole attempt to go back to 1320 die in the public eye, as they used to update all the time. They have released nothing about their intentions on staying 1000, still experimenting, or never going 1320 ever again.
2. I support 1000ft. races on the tracks that cannot handle the distance. My problem is we HAVE tracks that could handle 1320, and it's wrong in the eyes of the (NHRA) to have an attitude that the sport is either all one distance, or nothing. I would determine it by tracks that have around 3100 + of a shutdown area. It's not right that the tracks that can handle the distance and promote enough room to slow down if anything gets outta hand just get told to run 1000ft with no considerations. If the NHRA has considered this idea, I applaud them, if not, what are you waiting for? At least try it for 1-2 races and observe the results.
I also have no idea about this, but according to the chart and tracks I been to, many tracks have room behind there sandbox. Can a sandbox be moved, the cost may make this idea stupid. Does anyone know how many feet a TF or FC needed minimally to slow down when they were running 1320 and on your typical 4.4/330 run? Once that is figured out, then tracks can start being evaluated.
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vegasnitro
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Earlier post:
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Perhaps you can understand my confusion as to your position. I think we are clear now. The more recent post clearly makes more sense.
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Perhaps you can understand my confusion as to your position. I think we are clear now. The more recent post clearly makes more sense.
You!
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Patrick,
Since you have this all figured out, do you happen to know how many insurance carriers cover motorsports events?
Here's a hint, stop counting when you get to two.
You were close to saying it correctly earlier...the insurance company mandated the move to 1000' after Scott's tragic impact with a tv camera boom. They will not write a policy for anything beyond that for fuel cars now.
Since you have this all figured out, do you happen to know how many insurance carriers cover motorsports events?
Here's a hint, stop counting when you get to two.
You were close to saying it correctly earlier...the insurance company mandated the move to 1000' after Scott's tragic impact with a tv camera boom. They will not write a policy for anything beyond that for fuel cars now.
i asked this question awhile ago and i cant remember the answer i got, so I'll ask again. Doesn't every racer that pulls into the gate, sign a waiver before they are allowed to race ? If that is the case, than why must the NHRA be 'heavily' insured against any incidents involving a driver or crewman. if their were such a waiver, i imagine it would be an iron clad agreement, that all parties understand, this is a dangerous sport and while the sanctioning body will do all it can to provide safety, the participants waive any rights to sue, in exchange for the privilege of racing !
clwill
Nitro Member
Find your nearest lawyer and ask them the question. When they get done laughing, post the response here.
I'll save you the time, however. Such agreements are in place and serve a purpose. They do prevent the minor claimant from suing as it would be too expensive to fight. But they are essentially worthless in a significant event. In the case of a major incident, especially involving life and death, they can be easily skirted by the superseding laws protecting people from negligence and other claims. A good lawyer with sufficient time and money can easily blow right past them.
Think of these agreements like the door locks on your car. They stop the casual thief, and you'd be silly not to have one and to use them all the time. However, if someone is determined get into and/or steal your car, they are little more than an inconvenience to the serious professional.
well im sorry because your making yourself sound like your an expert while you keep taking shots at me. I never stated that I knew anything for a fact, nor did I ever state anything that I wrote are 100% what would happen, it's what I THINK would need to happen. You write in stone that they wont cover anything more right now. Scott's tragic impact trigged the move to 1000 and yes it's awful we lost Scott but nearly 4 years later modifications need to be made. He was killed at a track notorious for having a short shutdown. Also, here's a hint for you. Get some class and simply disagree and stop taking your pathetic shots at me, Your strategy for disagreement in a discussion is to insult and make yourself sound like your the expert is like a 5 year old. All I did to you was state my OPINION that i never stated as a FACT and my view you do not like and you can't take it.
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I understand what your saying and it's a Scott's death was a very sensitive subject, but i'm going to offer a reason, maybe the biggest, 1320 should not be done away with. His FC exploded in the lights, your at E-town where even on a perfect hit the the chutes and slow down the trap comes up quick. He was trying to get the car slowed down he hit the sandbox then the tv boom. It was tragic, but he was not killed at a track the had alot of room. I am not looking at all saying race a longer track death can be avoided.
Now just think about this, E-Town from 2,234 Feet from tree to sandtrap. Scott had only 914 feet to stop his FC when disaster struck. That's not alot room for much of anything better than 8's. Gainesville tree to sandtrap is 3,348, that's an extra, 1,114 feet over E-Town, Scott would of had an extra 1,114 Feet and he might still be here today. It's horrible that it was at one of the shortest, but that's the game everyone played.
Whatever the deal on insurance is, the safety is there for 1320. Consider Gators, the longest track on the tour, The cars are said to be safer than ever, and when you have 2,028 feet after 1320 to stop your car at Gainesville, why are we not at least having 1 1320 race a year?
You!
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You!
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Google Earth Patrick. Google Earth.
I have visited your site Patrick and I have the utmost respect for all that you have accomplished given the hurdles you've encountered. I wish you nothing but the best in all your future plans and projects. And congrats on your pending nuptials.
Merry Christmas.
I have visited your site Patrick and I have the utmost respect for all that you have accomplished given the hurdles you've encountered. I wish you nothing but the best in all your future plans and projects. And congrats on your pending nuptials.
Merry Christmas.
Thank you and Merry Christmas. Now you say Google Earth, you seem to get that 3500+ number you got and if that's true then that chart Mike put up must be wrong. Google Earth, or the chart, we can all agree E-Town is too short to ever run a nitro car 1320 again. Gainesville on the chart shows to be the longest and by the naked eye of watching espn, Gators, Firebird, Indy look to be the 3 longest tracks we have. I would love to see 1 or 2 races 1320, it be nice to have a 2nd half of the race for the nitro cars. We don't even have true half track timers. 500ft.
