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Troy Critchley Story / Aussie 60 Minutes

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davey

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I still can't believe there are people out there that have pinned this entire thing on him and him alone. WTF is wrong with this country? He contributed to the tragedy, yes, but to blame and charge only him is ridiculous. Not here to start a bunch of legal posturing and jockying to see who has the best grasp of the law so please don't even start. It just hacks me off that this country has this "someone has to pay" attitude. If that's the case then everyone involved should pay equally. Off of my soapbox.
 
Dave, I agree. I just watched a little while ago. Hindsight is a great thing, easy to say he never should have done the burnout, but geez, I really don't think this guy should take the blame alone. Unless I'm wrong, it sounded to me like he was out of the throttle as soon as it changed direction on him, but we know how much momentum these cars have when they hook up, so I don't think he could have done much more. I feel for the families, it's truly horrible, but destroying Troy doesn't seem right to me.
 
The idea that the local sheriff and Gov. officials are off the hook here really sucks! The guy has to live with this the rest of his life!:confused:
 
Where is the solution in all of this? I could not even fathom what it would feel like to lose 2 children. But I could not fathom that ruining another family would bring justice to me or anyone. I hope for everyone involved.
 
Doesn't Troy already have to serve a lifetime sentence of knowing that six people aren't here anymore due to an ACCIDENT of his? How about we spend our resources sufficiently punishing real criminals who do things with actual bad intentions?

Where are all the people who wanted to see him thrown under the bus when this happened last year? Do you still feel that way after watching that video?
 
Talk about "SELECTIVE PROSECUTION", WOW!

If ANYONE needs to be looking at jail time, he should have have a LOT of company in the cell.

There was certainly enough negligence to go around (and the sharks will pursue every deep pocket imaginable) but, the "system" chose NOT to apply the same standards against itself it chose to apply against Troy.
This is the kind of thing (that happens every so often) that can makes one cynical - or become a do-gooder lawyer. Neither the municipality nor the state are going to "go after" themselves, so, just the "little-guy" (a foriegner, to boot) gets screwed.:confused:
 
Re: Troy Critchley OK - YOU make the call!

Only a former insurance/litigation wonk would ask this hypothetical question:

Let's say, there is $5 Million Dollars of Insurance money available to pay ALL the victims injured (or families of those killed) in this KIND of accident.

How much do you give it to:
1.) The 40 year-old breadwinner with 3 kids who will never be able to work as a carpenter again (because of a permanent brian injury may never be able to enjoy ANY gainful employment) and has outstanding (and on-going) medical bills in excess of $250,000. ?
2.) The 12 year-old child with the broken arm and various cuts and bruises but, essentially, OK 2 years later?
3.) The spouse with the part-time job laid up for 6 months but able to return to similar work athough she carries and fairly prominent facial scarring?
4.) The surviving parents of the 8 year old who died at the scene?

How do you THINK the money SHOULD be distributed?
How do you think it WILL be distributed?
 
I find it unbelievable that the lady that lost the 2 daughters can be so cold hearted!! I mean i cant imagine what it would be like to lose both of your daughters but to sit there and say troy is the only one to blame is amazing! I think he has suffered and will suffer the rest of his life knowing that he killed 6 people but he did everything in his power to steer the car away from the crowd!! In my opinion the police cheif and whoever else said it was ok to stand along the road with no kind of protective barrier in front of them is just as much to blame!! I mean we would never let anyone stand next to the track with no wall there so why should that have been any different!! People should have known you are taking a risk standing there with no barrier between you and a very powerful race car!! Thats why as racers and crew members we have to sign a waiver to get a restriced area pass on our ticket because there is always a chance of being hurt everytime you set foot on the track because you cant control what happens sometimes!!
 
I have two teenage daughters and could not imagine losing either one of them, God forbid both. However, ruining another family's life would not make me feel any better nor would it bring my daughters back. In fact, it would make me feel worse. My point was why is Troy the only one being charged with anything?

Al, those are three important words.
 
I am going to play devils advocate here simply on the basis of true accountability.

#1 The police department had no reasonable expectation that Mr. Critchley was going to perform a burnout in which his speed and length were that excessive with regard to the placement of the crowd watching the show.

#2 Obviously the city manager, mayor, and police chief are somewhat culpable in the failure to adequately address safety concerns regarding the placement of the crowd, traffic control barriers, and safety procedures to be used by the drivers.

#3 The bottom line here folks is, in spite of all good intentions by Mr. Critchley, he should have known what his limitations were on a city street versus a drag strip. His actions were negligent resulting in the deaths and injuries of the spectators. Period!

Obviously Mr. Critchley was given the permission to perform this stunt, although not given authorization to abuse it!

By all accounts Mr. Critchleys experience, although reputable, has no bearing on his actions that day. A reasonable expectation of the safe handling of his race car is what the judge and jury are going to consider in this case. IMO Mr. Critchley exercised poor judgement as evidenced by the excessive speed of his car prior to this horrific event. There was no way he could have controlled his vehicle in the event of a failure of any kind going that fast. Period.

You can't entirely blame the government on this one folks!

Blaming the police, the city, etc. etc. is only a small fraction of the total culpability of this incident.

Lots of blame to be spread here, but ultimately and undeniably, Mr. Critchleys actions which were hugely excessive for the conditions that day. Unfortunately!

Yes it was an accident with no ill intent to all parties present. Was it preventable.......certainly. Should there be accountability by all parties involved? Absolutely!!

Does Mr. Critchley deserve jail time? Probably not!

O.K. I have thrown myself to the wolves on this post, so fire away, but don't expect a response!

Tom.
 
I am going to play devils advocate here simply on the basis of true accountability.
Tom.

Tom,

No argument that Todd should have the lion's share of blame here. It does APPEAR he kept the car moving too far forward - and at speed.
HOWEVER, at a minimum, the city should have made a minimal attempt to move the crown of the road and - AT LEAST - erected some Jersey Barriers. They made those people sitting ducks.
BTW: Anybody who has ever been to a drag race knows that cars can get squirly at ANY time during a run. The fact that Todd went off the racing surface was reasonable forseeable.

PS: Do you happen to know if Tennessee is a contributory or proportional negligence and do the city and/or state have some degree of sovereign immunity?
 
Jim I don't know if Tennessee has any form of true immunity on this issue. I am certainly no lawyer, but in my chosen profession as a trooper I can tell you from experience that any sanctioned event with expressed or implied authority from a government entity is somewhat prima facie that they could incur liability as a result of injuries or death.

Hard to get out of this one I would think, especially as some form of crowd control or governmental control was exercised prior to the running of these vehicles.

JMO of course!
 
His lawyer's making a good case, the Police/Law enforcement as well as local Politicians allowed this event to proceed with NO precautions takin as far as crowd control, baracades, etc...

However I think Troy will do some time, how long is anybody's guess.
 
I am going to play devils advocate here simply on the basis of true accountability.

#1 The police department had no reasonable expectation that Mr. Critchley was going to perform a burnout in which his speed and length were that excessive with regard to the placement of the crowd watching the show. ...
Tom,

By all accounts, the excessiveness of Critchley burnout was not out of the norm from previous years' events. I remember reading in articles immediately following the tragic incident that they had had Pro Mod type cars do similar burnouts at previous events.

If that is true, then your argument stating the authorities having no reasonable expectation is bogus.

Regardless of the excessiveness of Critchley burnout, the fact that the country on a whole has been witness to numerous incidents of out of control street races causing injury/death to bystanders should have warranted greater crowd control/protection. How many other modified/race cars were allowed to perform burnouts with the potential for the same tragic results? Any one of the cars could have lost control or had breakage that could have sent it careening into the crowd.

I also can't help but wonder if we are witnessing a "locals taking care of their own" in this situation. Would Troy be singled out so aggressively if he were a born and raised American local instead of a highly successful Australian?
 
I find it unbelievable that the lady that lost the 2 daughters can be so cold hearted!!

I also find that hard to believe, but not unbelievable. A very good friend of mine was driving home and pulled out in front of a motorcycle. The man, a recent cancer survivor was not wearing a helmet and died en route to the hospital. The man was also did some contract work for me so I knew him before, and I knew him fairly well.

The man left behind 9 children and a wife who was incredibly gracious and kind to my friend and I after the accident. She sought out and spoke to my friend after the accident and told her that she understood it was an accident and my friends three kids didn't deserve to have their mother's grief and guilt bestowed upon them.

The cops pursued charges on her but the wife of them an refused to help them prosecute, not she lost out on the potential for funds because she refused to help the insurance company go after my friend for wrongful death.

My friend was lucky, but the wife incredibly so. She had the grace, courage and commitment to forgive and move on. It will not be easy for her, she was a stay at home mom who did home schooling for their children while he was the breadwinner.

They still talk, the wife and my friend, and the honesty and care given by the woman has helped my friend recover from the tragedy as well.

It's also helped me see the beauty of God's grace and the gift he gave us of one simple thing...forgiveness.
 
It is interesting to see the difference in opinion between this and the Nick Bolea situation. Granted, Bolea was drinking, but neither operator of the vehicles were doing so in a responsible manner.

One, many want to see rot in prison.
The other, many want to see, walk away from their situation.
 
Troy doesn't deserve to walk away. What he did was incredibly stupid and irresponsible. However, the real travesty of justice is that the people who have stepped forward voluntarily and received compensation for providing for the safety of the public played a pivotal role in the outcome of this dreadful incident.

The chief of police and the officers who shut down the street should be charged with criminal negligence resulting in death. The mother who allowed her children to be standing alongside the street should be charged with reckless endangerment. The fire fighters who wet down the street should be charged with accessory (I'm a fire fighter, just because we try to help people doesn't mean we should be able act like idiots and get away with it).

This comes down to personal responsibility. Troy feels a tremendous amount of guilt, as well he should. However, he shouldn't go unpunished because that sets a dangerous precedent for those in society who are unlabored by that thing we call a conscience. But, everyone else who played a part in this catastrophe should be punished also.
 
Tom,

By all accounts, the excessiveness of Critchley burnout was not out of the norm from previous years' events. I remember reading in articles immediately following the tragic incident that they had had Pro Mod type cars do similar burnouts at previous events.

If that is true, then your argument stating the authorities having no reasonable expectation is bogus.

Regardless of the excessiveness of Critchley burnout, the fact that the country on a whole has been witness to numerous incidents of out of control street races causing injury/death to bystanders should have warranted greater crowd control/protection. How many other modified/race cars were allowed to perform burnouts with the potential for the same tragic results? Any one of the cars could have lost control or had breakage that could have sent it careening into the crowd.

I also can't help but wonder if we are witnessing a "locals taking care of their own" in this situation. Would Troy be singled out so aggressively if he were a born and raised American local instead of a highly successful Australian?

Greg,

I think the points you make are certainly valid, but are not really applicable to the situation. This was an exhibition of hotrods and race cars. Not an illegal street race. If by chance, in the past, ProMods or any other vehicles were allowed to do high speed lengthy burnouts on this stretch of public access, then yes you are correct. The police or the governmental entities should have had a reasonable expectation that a potential disaster existed.

I doubt that any police chief, mayor, city manager, etc etc. would have ever authorized such display if they knew, with reasonable expectation, that such a tragedy was remotely possible. It defies logic for sure!

Like I mentioned in my previous post, I doubt seriously that any governmental representative had the forethought to tell the exhibitors not to unnecessarily place themselves and the crowd in harm's way. It was assumed on every one's part, I'm sure, that reasonable care would have been exercised. Unfortunately it was not!

I am purely speculating here, but I doubt that anyone with any form of common sense and in a position of authority would have given Mr. Critchley the "green light" to smoke'em all the way down Main Street. JMO of course.

On the other side of the coin, Mr. Critchley certainly knew the performance characteristics of his car and the potential for disaster on his exhibition display. He knew, or should have known with reasonable certainty, that a disaster could happen if he exceeded the parameters of his exhibition. This was an experienced race car driver performing an exhibition on a stretch of road with open access in numerous unsecured spectator areas.

In so far as preferential treatment of Mr. Critchley regarding prosecution because he is from another country, I doubt that seriously. It would be difficult, if not nearly impossible, for that type of distinction to be drawn because of where he was born. Andy Taylor himself would have been charged had he been the driver instead of Troy!

Horrible, horrible set of circumstances in which everyone directly and indirectly involved learned a painful lesson regarding assumptions.

I agree with Jenn on this one. Forgiveness is a powerful tool and nothing posted here will bring back the victims, nor ease the suffering of the families, officials and of course Troy himself.

Tom.
 
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