Help me out with your math Paul.....so you are saying that Adam had a winning percentage of 46%. How did you come up with that number? From what I can see, Adam had 23 rounds of racing and he won 7 rounds, which is a tad over 30%.
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Help me out with your math Paul.....so you are saying that Adam had a winning percentage of 46%. How did you come up with that number? From what I can see, Adam had 23 rounds of racing and he won 7 rounds, which is a tad over 30%.
It is round wins over # of races attended. Paul S. asked what that was early on in the thread which is why I provided it. If you looked at the number of round wins over # of rounds, it wouldn't count DNQ's which should most certainly be included in this discussion.
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sum interesting facts about this award aside from WHO CARES
- JFR: 5 of the last 9 (notice award sponsor's name) + TP in '96
- the '00 RTTF was M. Troxel....did she drive entire season for DSR? w/Exide sponsorship?
- the '02 RTTF was PS driver Gene Wilson; had totally forgot his name
- the '01 RTTF was GT tonglet with V&H Harley debut / shared that year with ROY D. Russell
- JFR: 5 of the last 9 (notice award sponsor's name) + TP in '96
- the '00 RTTF was M. Troxel....did she drive entire season for DSR? w/Exide sponsorship?
- the '02 RTTF was PS driver Gene Wilson; had totally forgot his name
- the '01 RTTF was GT tonglet with V&H Harley debut / shared that year with ROY D. Russell
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yoda
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AHHH- that explains it. Rookies don't usually get qualified into the show
Maybe that's why she got Rookie of the Year...
Maybe that's why she got Rookie of the Year...
I think you nailed it, of the 3 she did lead the DNQ stat.
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True that, It's all about the C/D now.
I think you nailed it, of the 3 she did lead the DNQ stat.
Which is more car performance than driver performance, IMO.
If we're talking about driver/rider performance, then red lights would be much more important than DNQs. Adam had 6 red lights, Brittany had zero (and her lights weren't too bad).
For the record, I was pulling for Chad Head to get RoTY!
Round wins over # of races attended would not be correct.....someone that won all rounds of racing for the entire season would have a win percentage of 400%, which makes no sense at all.
Just to close the loop, Brittany was in 32 rounds of racing and won 10.
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One made the C/D in their category, the others didn't?? case closed.
Just Paul
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I was not looking at overall win percentage, just some sort of ratio between the 2 drivers since TF and PSB don't attend the same amount of events. Plus DNQs need to be figured.
I'm just a dumb St. Paul East Sider, what do I know.
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So you're saying that PS Motorcycle has the same level of competition that FC and TF have? Sorry, but I don't think so!
On top of that, Adam jumps on a bike that can be a winner right off the bat (given the perfomance the Aranas have achieved over the past few years) and he only wins 7 rounds of racing for the entire year?
Hey, at least he almost matched his round wins with red lights, LOL! 7/6!
As a member of the voting panel, I cast my ballot for Brittany and I'll explain exactly why I choose to do so. Flame away if you feel so inclined but hopefully this will help some of you understand the thought process of at least one voter.
My first instinct would have been to vote for Adam Arana because he was the only rookie to make the Countdown and he did ride to a final round in Epping. Adam also scored bonus points with me simply because he had almost no experience before his debut in Gainesville. (on a personal note, I am a big bike fan and have a very solid relationship with the entire Arana family).
However, as the season progressed, Adam's development not only stalled, but he regressed as a rider. In 16 events, Adam had six red-lights and four holeshot losses. His last round win came in Denver which made him 0-for the Countdown and as a result, he dropped to tenth in the points. For those reasons, I could not in good conscience vote for him.
That left the choice between Brittany Force and Chad Head and if the award was determined solely by driving ability, I would have voted for Chad. Hands down. However, when I weighed all the factors I elected to go with Brittany.
By almost every measuring stick, Chad had an awesome year. He ran 4.01 and got the final in Reading and the Four-Wide in Charlotte. Hell, he even got his father to praise his driving ability and that might be the most prestigious award ANY driver could ever hope to receive. Yes, it was very close, almost a coin toss but in the end, I went with Brittany.
When I looked at Brittany's season, it was obvious that she made steady progress leading up to her first semifinal this weekend in Pomona. Her ten round wins included victories against Doug Kalitta (twice) Brandon Bernstein (twice), Spencer Massey (twice), and David Grubnic. Personally, I felt like she never looked out of place in the car and given the number of quality teams in Top Fuel, I think she more than held her own.
If you read the not-so-fine print, the ballot asks each voter to include additional criteria including fan popularity, media interaction and potential for future stardom and in those areas, Brittany was the clear cut winner. I can understand that many purists feel that the award should go strictly to the best driver and there is a part of me that agrees with that but in the end, I simply felt that she best fit the current "spirit" of the award.
As a side note, I'm not sure that everyone understands that the award is not chosen by NHRA but is the result of a vote among more than 100 members of the media. Teams my lobby heavily for their particular driver/rider but there is no internal pressure here to vote one way or another and I have no reason whatsoever to question the integrity of those tabulating the votes. Hopefully that squashes any conspiracy theories.
While I am not privy to the final numbers it was my understanding that the final vote was very close. In the end, I suppose we should all be happy to be having this debate since it means that there no shortage of talented up-and-coming drivers entering the pro classes.
My first instinct would have been to vote for Adam Arana because he was the only rookie to make the Countdown and he did ride to a final round in Epping. Adam also scored bonus points with me simply because he had almost no experience before his debut in Gainesville. (on a personal note, I am a big bike fan and have a very solid relationship with the entire Arana family).
However, as the season progressed, Adam's development not only stalled, but he regressed as a rider. In 16 events, Adam had six red-lights and four holeshot losses. His last round win came in Denver which made him 0-for the Countdown and as a result, he dropped to tenth in the points. For those reasons, I could not in good conscience vote for him.
That left the choice between Brittany Force and Chad Head and if the award was determined solely by driving ability, I would have voted for Chad. Hands down. However, when I weighed all the factors I elected to go with Brittany.
By almost every measuring stick, Chad had an awesome year. He ran 4.01 and got the final in Reading and the Four-Wide in Charlotte. Hell, he even got his father to praise his driving ability and that might be the most prestigious award ANY driver could ever hope to receive. Yes, it was very close, almost a coin toss but in the end, I went with Brittany.
When I looked at Brittany's season, it was obvious that she made steady progress leading up to her first semifinal this weekend in Pomona. Her ten round wins included victories against Doug Kalitta (twice) Brandon Bernstein (twice), Spencer Massey (twice), and David Grubnic. Personally, I felt like she never looked out of place in the car and given the number of quality teams in Top Fuel, I think she more than held her own.
If you read the not-so-fine print, the ballot asks each voter to include additional criteria including fan popularity, media interaction and potential for future stardom and in those areas, Brittany was the clear cut winner. I can understand that many purists feel that the award should go strictly to the best driver and there is a part of me that agrees with that but in the end, I simply felt that she best fit the current "spirit" of the award.
As a side note, I'm not sure that everyone understands that the award is not chosen by NHRA but is the result of a vote among more than 100 members of the media. Teams my lobby heavily for their particular driver/rider but there is no internal pressure here to vote one way or another and I have no reason whatsoever to question the integrity of those tabulating the votes. Hopefully that squashes any conspiracy theories.
While I am not privy to the final numbers it was my understanding that the final vote was very close. In the end, I suppose we should all be happy to be having this debate since it means that there no shortage of talented up-and-coming drivers entering the pro classes.
I was not looking at overall win percentage, just some sort of ratio between the 2 drivers since TF and PSB don't attend the same amount of events. Plus DNQs need to be figured.
I'm just a dumb St. Paul East Sider, what do I know.
I am with you Paul, I thought that stat would be relevant given the different # of races attended and need a way to include DNQ's. If someone had a 400% ratio, then we wouldn't be having this discussion as they would have been a slam dunk for the ROTY.
If you want to include DNQs, then I would just count it as a round 1 loss, but I would still think the ratio of round wins over rounds raced (including DNQs) would be an accurate win percentage.
In that case:
Adam Arana - 30.4%
Brittany Force - 29.4%
Sorry, I didn't figure out the % for Leah or Chad.
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So that's what it's all about, finishing best in your class? LOL!
In a word, "yes". How else can you compare 3 so different classes??
yoda
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Adam's red lights: PSB-type red (0.001-0.006) or "Brain not totally Engaged" Red? I mean- does he get in under the "would have been a great light, but..." category, or does he get the "damn dude, stop thinking about the next round" category red bulb?
And weren't most of his losses because his gear crapped out?
And weren't most of his losses because his gear crapped out?
