Prock runs first NHRA 340! (2 Viewers)

[superman]

I am just curious as to if that 341 was a legit pass as his 2nd fastest pass was only 334

if you look at the incrementals they dont add up

.857 60' 2.190 330' 3.078 660' 289.82 660' mph 3.804 et 334.57 mph
.870 60' 2.211 330' 3.103 660' 289.69 660' mph 3.828 et 341.68 mph

regardless its awesome to see it pop up on the score board

 

[sutton]

I am just curious as to if that 341 was a legit pass as his 2nd fastest pass was only 334

if you look at the incrementals they dont add up

.857 60' 2.190 330' 3.078 660' 289.82 660' mph 3.804 et 334.57 mph
.870 60' 2.211 330' 3.103 660' 289.69 660' mph 3.828 et 341.68 mph

regardless its awesome to see it pop up on the score board

Steve
It would add up if you consider many things that could happen in the late charge, later timeing of clutch full engagement, fuel management changes for top end. head wind, less tire spin, ETC,ETC.
Larry Sutton---
PS: congratulations to my friend Fast Jack on winning Pomona.

 

[twostep]

Where is your proof that the car was on 100% nitro, the timing box was altered, and the car was light?

You misunderstood me, Tony. Read it again. Someone earlier mentioned something about an exhibition race and no "rev limiter" (that's not what it is) and I said no, it's not, not a fluke pass that took place at a no-NHRA-rules event with, for example, 100 percent nitro, timing retard off, and underweight. I seriously doubt Tasca would ever have agreed to run his car that way even if PRO had allowed it. That was my intended meaning.

I can see I didn't make myself clear; my apologies.

 

[twostep]

Steve
It would add up if you consider many things that could happen in the late charge, later timeing of clutch full engagement, fuel management changes for top end. head wind, less tire spin, ETC,ETC.
Larry Sutton---
PS: congratulations to my friend Fast Jack on winning Pomona.

Jimmy Prock is a savvy guy whom of course strives to win races and championships but he wanted that 340 badly. He didn't need it to beat the #16 qualifier (who did put down a quite respectable pass); he was dead set on breaking the barrier under ideal conditions that might not be seen again for a long time. You said it perfectly; everybody here knows how it works; those cars are tunable up or down at any point during the run and Prock simply turned up the top end wick for that one. He wisely trimmed the speed for the next 2 rounds; not needed and no need to get NHRA tech fired up about a developing pattern. There isn't one.

I had to laugh at his comment after the pass..."I wasn't trying for that one; we know it had a couple like that in there, sometimes everything just works right and it pops up...." Yeah, sure, Jimmy. It ran 341+ because that's the tune you put in it.

 

[superman]

Steve
It would add up if you consider many things that could happen in the late charge, later timeing of clutch full engagement, fuel management changes for top end. head wind, less tire spin, ETC,ETC.
Larry Sutton---
PS: congratulations to my friend Fast Jack on winning Pomona.

theres more to it than just the times on the track though. they went 334 as their fastest pass over the course of 7 passes and then get 1 hail mary pass then no where near it the rest of the race. youd think if they went 341 they would have been the 338-339 mph range prior to that pass or even the pass after.

 

[T.Smith]

You misunderstood me, Tony. Read it again. Someone earlier mentioned something about an exhibition race and no "rev limiter" (that's not what it is) and I said no, it's not, not a fluke pass that took place at a no-NHRA-rules event with, for example, 100 percent nitro, timing retard off, and underweight. I seriously doubt Tasca would ever have agreed to run his car that way even if PRO had allowed it. That was my intended meaning.

I can see I didn't make myself clear; my apologies.

No problem Carl. I'll delete my post.

 

[twostep]

I am just curious as to if that 341 was a legit pass as his 2nd fastest pass was only 334

if you look at the incrementals they dont add up

.857 60' 2.190 330' 3.078 660' 289.82 660' mph 3.804 et 334.57 mph
.870 60' 2.211 330' 3.103 660' 289.69 660' mph 3.828 et 341.68 mph

regardless its awesome to see it pop up on the score board

Tells me he was going for low ET / #1 qualifier with the 3.804 pass as you can see by the more aggressive numbers down low. E1; he wasn't as concerned about the ET as he was getting that 340 so he softened the bottom half a bit to keep from blowing the tires off and flat poured it on after clutch lockup which happens at the 400-450' mark or so. You can tell by looking at the 660 speeds; identical despite the 341 pass being .03 slower to that point. I bet Austin thought his car had suddenly found another 1000 horsepower....which maybe it did.

Lot of speculation there but I think it's pretty close to what JP's plan was.

 

[twostep]

theres more to it than just the times on the track though. they went 334 as their fastest pass over the course of 7 passes and then get 1 hail mary pass then no where near it the rest of the race. youd think if they went 341 they would have been the 338-339 mph range prior to that pass or even the pass after.

There was a need for the 341 - the barrier-breaking record. No need for it in subsequent rounds; no need to stress the car, risk an incident that might injure Prock, run that fast in order to win the races or raise a red flag with the NHRA. Just keep on running 3.82s.

Personally, I believe Prock had 2 things in mind in the final - 1, his equal was in the other lane and 2, an ET record (he already holds the current one) would have been a feather in his cap to add to the 341. Uh-uh; a bit too much clutch; smoke city.

 

[twostep]

No problem Carl. I'll delete my post.

Nah,, no need to delete it, Tony. I can understand your reasoning. You know a hell of a lot more about fuel racing than I do, anyway.

 

[superman]

Steve
It would add up if you consider many things that could happen in the late charge, later timeing of clutch full engagement, fuel management changes for top end. head wind, less tire spin, ETC,ETC.
Larry Sutton---
PS: congratulations to my friend Fast Jack on winning Pomona.

theres more to it than just the times on the track though. they went 334 as their fastest pass over the course of 7 passes and then get 1 hail mary pass then no where near it the rest of the race. youd think if they went 341 they would have been the 338-339 mph range

There was a need for the 341 - the barrier-breaking record. No need for it in subsequent rounds; no need to stress the car, risk an incident that might injure Prock, run that fast in order to win the races or raise a red flag with the NHRA. Just keep on running 3.82s.

Personally, I believe Prock had 2 things in mind in the final - 1, his equal was in the other lane and 2, an ET record (he already holds the current one) would have been a feather in his cap to add to the 341. Uh-uh; a bit too much clutch; smoke city.

I agree 100% in the final they were going for a hail mary pass to end the year

 

[65 Goatboy]

Where is your proof that the car was on 100% nitro, the timing box was altered, and the car was light?

"so it wasn't a fluke run with the timing retard removed, underweight, 100 percent nitro, etc."

I read this as he meant the opposite. The car wasn't altered?

 

[twostep]

"so it wasn't a fluke run with the timing retard removed, underweight, 100 percent nitro, etc."

I read this as he meant the opposite. The car wasn't altered?

You're right, and we're good. I should have worded it a bit differently. And despite the 341.68 tie it doesn't diminish Prock's achievement one bit. Unbelievable run....500 feet per second...nearly as fast as the jet that carried him to the track.

 

[Professional Fan]

Maybe it was my imagination but on Prock's run the car seemed to reach another gear as it headed toward the trap.

 

[Cliff]

What about tire size? I heard announcers say that to get quicker ET, they put on a tire that is shorter in height. Am thinking a tall tire for MPH, shorter tire for ET. I'm reminded of Don Garlits running the first 250 at Ontario. He told the story that once in awhile, a taller tire would come from the molds. He found a set that were a bit taller and saved them for Ontario. He said that was the reason the car ran 250. I remember a lot of 248 MPH runs up to that time. I saw Garlits ran that 250, also the 5.63 Et that stood for 7 years.

 

[T.Smith]

What about tire size? I heard announcers say that to get quicker ET, they put on a tire that is shorter in height. Am thinking a tall tire for MPH, shorter tire for ET. I'm reminded of Don Garlits running the first 250 at Ontario. He told the story that once in awhile, a taller tire would come from the molds. He found a set that were a bit taller and saved them for Ontario. He said that was the reason the car ran 250. I remember a lot of 248 MPH runs up to that time. I saw Garlits ran that 250, also the 5.63 Et that stood for 7 years.

We've never put on a set of tires with thought of trying to obtain a higher top speed. We make adjustments to compensate for a set of tires being shorter or taller in rollout to manage early wheel speed.

 

[roscoe37]

great weekend, hey are they going to run that PRO race ne t year

 

[4onthefl4]

great weekend, hey are they going to run that PRO race ne t year

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[mick]

great weekend, hey are they going to run that PRO race ne t year

feb. 6-8

 

[ironpony]

My guess at this point is Goodyear is in a panic as 340 was the magic do not exceed number.

 

[65 Goatboy]

Don't think Goodyear is in a panic. How many 340+ runs do you think we will see in 2025? Tasca and Prock didn't have a blowout! Not saying it can't happen but I bet Goodyear has built some extra insurance into the nitro tires. Might be a Nhra rule change for next year.