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Bob,

You're right, now that's going to bug me until I remember who it was........
Alan

 

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Call me back when you can make an argument without resorting to name calling.
Alan

How are they different? Holden thought after pumping his brakes they were fine. Krawiec on the other hand, knowingly made passes with a bad master cylinder and ended up in the sand twice. If _____ was to apply the rules evenly then Eddie should have been tossed out.

 

[Sean D, shondoo]

How are they different? Holden thought after pumping his brakes they were fine. Krawiec on the other hand, knowingly made passes with a bad master cylinder and ended up in the sand twice. If _____ was to apply the rules evenly then Eddie should have been tossed out.

The situation with Holden, which has been debated since it happened is about the dumbest attempt at an argument that I've ever heard, either here or ANY place/board.........EVER. If you're mechanic enough to run a race car, you're damn sure mechanic enough to know a soft brake pedal that comes around after pumping it isn't fixed, or "fine". He made a conscious decision to unsafely take a race car down the track, period. The decision to DQ him was a no-brainer, regardless of the situation with the Harley.

Now, as far as the Harley is concerned, I can make an attempt at why the situations could be different. Disclaimer: I haven't paid close enough attention to the water box and starting line procedures of a PSM, so this observation may be null and void. If the brakes aren't used during the burnout or staging (was it the front or rear that failed? I assume the rear?), he may not have known of an issue until he ended up in the sand the first time. If that was the case, they address the situation between runs (or so they believe) and come back to find it wasn't fixed. And even if nothing I suggest applies, you're still suggesting that the HD team, like them or not, knowingly put their rider in danger by sending him back out for what resulted in the 2nd failure, which is a huge stretch in my opinion.

Sean D

 

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Sean, Eddie knew he had a bad master cylinder yet made two passes that ended up with him in the sand. Using Dim's own logic he should have been DQ'd. At least Laris thought his problem was fixed and had the data to prove he had brake pressure when staging, Krawiec couldn't even claim that.

 

[Sean D, shondoo]

Sean, Eddie knew he had a bad master cylinder yet made two passes that ended up with him in the sand. Using Dim's own logic he should have been DQ'd. At least Laris thought his problem was fixed and had the data to prove he had brake pressure when staging, Krawiec couldn't even claim that.

Again, I don't know enough about the process of PSM, so all I can do is offer an objective. That said, you're saying he knowingly hopped on a 195+ mph motorcycle with virtually no brakes................twice???

We can go back and forth about the Laris situation as long as you want. If he pumped the brakes up, of course he had brake pressure! Lmao!! But there is NO mechanic worth his or her salt that would think that pumping up a soft brake pedal renders the system "fine". And wasn't he on a bye run?

Sean D

 

[M Jones]

When I did a burn out on a drag bike in the 80's we always used to hold the bike with the front brake, you try to stop a bike past 150 on up with only the back brake, you will have big issues and going down is a real possible problem, don't know what happened to Eddie to have had two failures in a row, if they were the same failure then a reasonable explanation must have been given, I don't believe he would have made another pass just hopping to stop, I've only been 8.70's in the mid 180's never had to try to stop with only back brake thank GOD
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When I did a burn out on a drag bike in the 80's we always used to hold the bike with the front brake, you try to stop a bike past 150 on up with only the back brake, you will have big issues and going down is a real possible problem, don't know what happened to Eddie to have had two failures in a row, if they were the same failure then a reasonable explanation must have been given, I don't believe he would have made another pass just hopping to stop, I've only been 8.70's in the mid 180's never had to try to stop with only back brake thank GOD
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He had a bad master cylinder, even commented about how they knew it was bad on the broadcast after he went into the sand. That admission should have had his ass tossed out.

 

[M Jones]

Did not see broadcast, if what you are stating is true he should have been DQ'ed, I can't figure out how a pro would take that risk

 

[stitcherbob]

Mat Hines stated they threw some fresh brake pads in it before the finals and at the end, Eddie states "I must have a bad front brake master cylinder! We thought we had it all nipped going into the lanes that round"
those are the words of someone surprised by the incident, not someone covering up knowledge of unsafe parts...

 

[M Jones]

Thanks for the link Bob, I agree with you on that one, just didn't make sense a pro like Eddie would make a pass knowing the brakes were bad, thanks again