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This DIRECTLY correllates to NHRA, so what ever NASCAR is doing here that is successful should be emulated or at least considered. To me, these are the most important issues facing NHRA, not the countdown or 1,000ft racing.

From NY Times article:

More than most sports, Nascar relies on older, white male fans. The study found that those fans were, because of the recession and their advancing age, going to fewer races and spending less at the races they did attend. According to the research, the growth in the number of single-parent families had also made it harder for fathers and mothers to take their children to races.

Because fans flocked to races for years, Nascar did not have to work hard to find newcomers. Now, younger fans are more likely to learn about a sport online than from a father or uncle, and Nascar feels it has to speak more directly to them.

The car culture that nourished Nascar has also been changing. Fewer Americans are tinkering under the hood, which makes them less likely to appreciate stock cars. Brand loyalty to automobile manufacturers has eroded, undermining another cornerstone of the Nascar fan experience: rooting for a Chevy, a Dodge, a Ford or a Toyota.
 
This article could not to more of a do this step by step article for the nhra. Judging from what I have heard over the last 2 events, it's not looking to great this year.
 
$5 million on the research....and what did they find?
they lost me as a fan around the time that Dale Sr. passed.
I had no childhood heros left that raced,and all thats left is a bunch of youg guys.
I would watch them races all the time and when the #43 of Petty was out,so was I ..outside playing!
 
$5 million on the research....and what did they find?
they lost me as a fan around the time that Dale Sr. passed.
I had no childhood heros left that raced,and all thats left is a bunch of youg guys.
I would watch them races all the time and when the #43 of Petty was out,so was I ..outside playing!

THIS (and in no way meant as a personal attack) is the thinking NASCAR + NHRA need to get around. You are always going to be losing some percentage of your old fan base-because Berstein retired-because Bill Elliot only races part time etc. How many 'Maters have been following drag racing for 30 years? How many for 5 years? TODAY is someones "good old days".
Using whatever methods the modern youth use to communicate is a no brainer if you want that market.
How many events someone went to in the 70's doesn't help the bottom line at all in 2012. Getting someone in their 20's interested the sport-and may show up for 20 nationals over a lifetime will.
 
For all that think NASCAR is the master of the Motorsports world, I saw an awful lot of empty seats at Daytona today!
 
I think Rich is right, and I wouldn't worry too much about the empty seats at Daytona this week. Typically the place looks like a ghost town during the "support races" like the ARCA race, the trucks and the Nationwide race. From what I see there are actually more spectators than I remember seeing at yesterday's race than there have been in years. Of course I've only been watching for 35 years, so I could be wrong. As for what NHRA could do better, how about making it entertaining again? I try to attend the Sears Point race each year and The wait between the semis and the final round is just about unbearable for my family. By that time, I'm tired, sunburned, my wife and kid want to leave and I've got a 4 hour drive ahead of me, so waiting for 45 minutes for three more pro runs (20 seconds of total racing) is a tough sell to my family. Can someone tell me why why they couldn't have some entertaining "filler" run during that time? Run a few nostalgia floppers, maybe book a two-of-three match race with some vintage A/FX cars or a nitro Harley, but DO SOMETHING FOR PETE'S SAKE!! I attended one of the "Pinks all-out" races there and the show was 100 times more entertaining than the NHRA show. I was there from 9 AM until after 10 PM and didn't want to leave then! Why? Because those guys understood it was a SHOW!! NHRA talks the talk, but they better start walking the walk and soon or there won't be any older guys to drag the younger guys to the races.
 
I noticed they didnt mention just how bad the recession hit the Midwest and Southern states! While the ideas of trying Alternative marketing is something we all wish NHRA would do. We need this economy back first, and despite what that Obama Regime is saying, we are NOT back economically! Not with 15% Under employment anyway!

You wont see NASCAR's Numbers return to 2005-'06 levels till the unemployment gets back down to 4.5% like it was then!
 
I noticed they didnt mention just how bad the recession hit the Midwest and Southern states! While the ideas of trying Alternative marketing is something we all wish NHRA would do. We need this economy back first, and despite what that Obama Regime is saying, we are NOT back economically! Not with 15% Under employment anyway!

You wont see NASCAR's Numbers return to 2005-'06 levels till the unemployment gets back down to 4.5% like it was then!


Joe i dont think NASCAR will ever get back to the numbers in the late 90's to 2005 era of busines... good or bad economy... NASCAR huge growth was due ot the "bandwagon effect"... and many insiders know it... but wont say it... it became the FAD thing to do... kind of like not watching football all year but when it comes to the SUPER Bowl you watch and your favorite team is in it... lol

with the current economy being bad.. if alot of bad moves on their part would not have happened i dont think they would be down as much as they are.... yeah ticket sales would be off.. but tv ratings would not go down.... people wont buy a $100 ticket (as they did in the past) but they will pay for cable or the sat.. so they could watch it.. but they arent...

NASCAR's issue was they forgot where they came from and what made the band wagon effect work for them... and it did for a while they kept some fans for years..not just one "game" NASCAR's ego made them feel they could do no wrong and the fans would take what ever they gave them and the fans would be happy about it and thank them... did the same with the MFgrs and that just about cost them a ton...

the COT while for safety reason was a 50% good i dea it made all the cars LOOK the same.. no Mfgr simularity at all.. and told the Mfrgs this is the way it will be.. its better for everyone becasue we said so... thats changing now if you look at the direction of the 2013 cars... they forced the WING on to fans because it was what the cool kinds in Cali had on their cars and we want their money..nothing to do with performance or safety....

they forced the fans to pay over priced amounts for tickets.. many not knowing better stood in line and waited to pay the stupid prices.. now many cant afford to...

all of these things drove off the core fan based who love the sport for is basic premis... man and machine against main and machine.. driving their favorite mfgrs car.... the new band wagon fans.. some stayed but many got over it and dont go to races or watch anymore...

side note.. i have helped out a couple drag strips with their fan pages on facebook.. i've seen a funny trend... FB keeps track of who is mentioning the facilitys in their post and other info that mentions the facilitys in some shape or way... what i found odd is many drag strips have a huge age factor of discussion.... 13 to 32 years of age... with 52% of those being females.... why isnt this happening in the NHRA? or is it?
 
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I noticed they didnt mention just how bad the recession hit the Midwest and Southern states! While the ideas of trying Alternative marketing is something we all wish NHRA would do. We need this economy back first, and despite what that Obama Regime is saying, we are NOT back economically! Not with 15% Under employment anyway!

You wont see NASCAR's Numbers return to 2005-'06 levels till the unemployment gets back down to 4.5% like it was then!

Now this is thinking outside the box... :D

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Man u guys need to come to Australia, our NASCAR is the v8 super cars, they rule the Motorsport world, get all the sponsors and get free tv. The NHRA show is just awesome, go to the pits and watch the warm ups then watch 35 nitro cars on the track then head back to the pits for some more warm ups then next thing you know they are back out again. I really think you guys have been spoilt, would you even bother going to a race that has 10 (at the most) fuel cars? Well that is reality in oz and we pay $40 for that.

NHRA rocks, yes it could probably be better but from where I am sitting and what I have seen in the last few weeks you guys have got it good. We have a lot to learn from the way you run an event to the trade stands to the food the NHRA is far superior to any other drag racing anywhere in the world. Let's face it, we will never be as big as the stock cars (both in the us and in oz) but to those in the know drag racing is the greatest show on earth. Getting it out there to the public is the hard part.

It's the same in oz, I did not see 1 person wearing a drag racing shirt outside the track but seen several NASCAR, basketball etc. shirts everywhere. We are into drag racing and its a third rate sport and the only people who can change that is the NHRA and the fans, wear your NHRA shirts with pride and tell anyone who asks how good the show is and get them hooked on nitro. We have the greatest show on earth people just don't know it.

I spent 10k this time around and had the time of my life and will be back for the last 2 races this year. I am hooked.

I just wish we had half as good a show that the NHRA has. Again, you guys don't know how good you have it.
 
Very good Post Darren. Your post puts it in perspective. Most here have become spoiled and don't want to see the sport progress. But they are best to get used to it.

I do think the price should be lowered though.
We are lucky to be able to see three or four different versions of real competitive drag racing. NHRA Full Throttle, Nostalgia events like the MM or CHHR, Good Guys, ADRL, Pro Street, Outlaw, SCSN, Big Buck Bracket and everything in between.
Pick your poison:D:D


Dean
 
If the show is good, it will keep the motorsports fans that make it through the gate coming back..

Getting them through the gate the first time is the hardest thing to do.




For all that think NASCAR is the master of the Motorsports world, I saw an awful lot of empty seats at Daytona today!


The Nationwide series never sells out.
 
To me, the frank and honest tone of the NYTimes article above is really refreshing. Essentially: "we have a problem, we've spent time and money understanding it in detail, and we're taking specific steps to overcome it as part of a larger long-term project to reinvigorate/grow the sport." And they are involving everyone, the brass, the teams, the sponsors, everyone. Working together to build something better. As the thread title says: NHRA could learn from NASCAR.

I think I'd feel better about the future of NHRA if I got the feeling that brass really understood there is a problem. As they say in any good 12-step program, the first step is recognizing you have a problem.

I'm sure Alan or someone will come along any second now and assure us that the NHRA gets it, that they're working on the problem. Well, they sure haven't made that clear to the world. They seem to just be pressing on blindly. As they old saying goes, doing the same thing over and over again expecting a different result is the definition of insanity.

I wish to the bottom of my heart that I'm wrong. But I'm not sure I'll ever even know -- they never say a word.
 
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