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Interesting take on biofuels
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HEMI6point1
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There are enough big 'ole cornfields to produce biodiesel without having to chop down forests.
Me thinks (this is my opinion!) that some people paid these people off, and it's not to hard to figure out who.
Me thinks (this is my opinion!) that some people paid these people off, and it's not to hard to figure out who.
Not so in Europe…plus Brazil is chopping trees left to plant sugar cane to go into ethanol
Keep in mind, every action creates and action.
A lot of corn is going into Ethanol and it is paying the farmer very well.
As the cost of corn goes up, so does many other things…especially food.
Food processors are having to pay the farmer more money to plant carrots, beets, beans, etc. instead of corn….
Therefore, those foods…along with corn will cost more.
In the average supermarket, there are over 3,000 items on the shelves where corn is an ingredient.
It will take a lot of corn to produce ethanol, not to mention that it takes something like 7 gallons of water to produce 1 gallon of ethanol….that’s fresh water, and large areas of the country are in drought or near drought conditions.
Ethanol BTU ratings is less than Gasoline, so it takes more volume of ethanol.
The company I work for operates a fleet of vehicles…trucks and gas burners. About 65% percent of the current fleet is E85 compatible. They determine that if all the E85 vehicles burned E85, and if E85 was 15 cents less per gallon than gasoline, it would cost our company some $1.4 MILLION MORE in fuel!!!! Therefore, the directive is to NOT put E85 in the vehicles.
Beef, chicken costs are rising and will keep rising due to the cost of feed, since the corn is going into ethanol.
Milk will probably cost you $4.50 per gallon by August…most in part due to the higher costs of feed….Experts say $5.00 per gallon by the end of the year is not out of the question.
Keep in mind, every action creates and action.
A lot of corn is going into Ethanol and it is paying the farmer very well.
As the cost of corn goes up, so does many other things…especially food.
Food processors are having to pay the farmer more money to plant carrots, beets, beans, etc. instead of corn….
Therefore, those foods…along with corn will cost more.
In the average supermarket, there are over 3,000 items on the shelves where corn is an ingredient.
It will take a lot of corn to produce ethanol, not to mention that it takes something like 7 gallons of water to produce 1 gallon of ethanol….that’s fresh water, and large areas of the country are in drought or near drought conditions.
Ethanol BTU ratings is less than Gasoline, so it takes more volume of ethanol.
The company I work for operates a fleet of vehicles…trucks and gas burners. About 65% percent of the current fleet is E85 compatible. They determine that if all the E85 vehicles burned E85, and if E85 was 15 cents less per gallon than gasoline, it would cost our company some $1.4 MILLION MORE in fuel!!!! Therefore, the directive is to NOT put E85 in the vehicles.
Beef, chicken costs are rising and will keep rising due to the cost of feed, since the corn is going into ethanol.
Milk will probably cost you $4.50 per gallon by August…most in part due to the higher costs of feed….Experts say $5.00 per gallon by the end of the year is not out of the question.
HEMI6point1
Nitro Member
The easy solution is to use Biodeisel. That isn't made from corn.
There are enough big 'ole cornfields to produce biodiesel without having to chop down forests.
Me thinks (this is my opinion!) that some people paid these people off, and it's not to hard to figure out who.
As you stated, it is your opinion…..but I am curious to know what drove that opinion.
Lets assume that you’re correct…the guy was paid off.
Questions that would raise to me..
Who paid him off?
Whomever paid him off….why would they have a need to push this person’s work in this direction?
What would they have to gain?
Biofuels are better once they get to your car, but the enviromental cost to get them there is worse then the oil/gas that we use now. So in the end the net enviromental damage is almost the same (bio is still overall slightly better).
I'm all for getting greener cars, but every action has a reaction. Biofuels as they are today are not the answer.
I'm all for getting greener cars, but every action has a reaction. Biofuels as they are today are not the answer.
HEMI6point1
Nitro Member
For your first question: The head honchos at the oil companies.
For the 2nd and 3rd questions: Paying the person who did the report off to say that biofuels are scams so we can continued using fossil fuels thus lining the oil companies pockets more.
Bowtie
Nitro Member
Not all bio-diesel is made from corn, in fact one company in Colorado is making it from algae.
Why would the oil companies pay someone off over biofuels? It may not be all oil, but to get biofuels you still have to:
1. Sourcing the raw materials
2. Get the raw material to one location.
3. Have to have a refinery to produce the end-product
4. Have to transport the finished product to pumping stations and then on to the retail level.
Regardless of what one thinks of the oil companies….who would be better to be able to successfully complete the above 4 steps?
Why wouldn’t the Oil companies want to sell biofuels? It would be another product that they could produce, sell and make a profit on….after all…that is what business do. They look for ways to grow their business…physically and financially.
HEMI6point1
Nitro Member
I heard that most biodiesel is made from the leftover vegetable oil used in restaurants. Doesn't sound like corn to me.
I know....that's is why I wrote what I did.
I heard that most biodiesel is made from the leftover vegetable oil used in restaurants. Doesn't sound like corn to me.
The next time you go into Publix, go into the Baking row.
Go to the cooking oils…look around.
Gee whiz Batman…lookie there…..
Corn Oil
I heard that most biodiesel is made from the leftover vegetable oil used in restaurants. Doesn't sound like corn to me.
These oils account for a significant fraction of world-wide edible oil production. All are also used as fuel oils.
Coconut oil, a cooking oil, high in saturated fat, particularly used in baking and cosmetics.[3]
Corn oil, a common cooking oil with little odor or taste.[4]
Cottonseed oil, used in manufacturing potato chips and other snack foods. Very low in trans fats.[5]
Canola oil (a variety of rapeseed oil), one of the most widely used cooking oils, from a (trademarked) cultivar of rapeseed.[6]
Olive oil, used in cooking, cosmetics, soaps, and as a fuel for traditional oil lamps.[7]
Palm oil, the most widely produced tropical oil. Also used to make biofuel.[8]
Peanut oil (Ground nut oil), a clear oil used for dressing salads and, due to its high smoke point, especially used for frying.[9]
Safflower oil, produced for export for over 50 years, first for use in paint industry, now mostly as a cooking oil.[10]
Sesame oil, cold pressed as light cooking oil, hot pressed for a darker and stronger flavor.[11]
Soybean oil, produced as a byproduct of processing soy meal.[12]
Sunflower oil, a common cooking oil, also used to make biodiesel.[13]
Nitrohaulic
Nitro Member
"Booming ethanol production may help lessen U.S. dependence on foreign oil, but it has already increased the grocery bill for the average American by $47 since July, according to a study from Iowa State University."
Study sees ethanol pushing up cost of food by $47 since July - May. 17, 2007
Meanwhile, people are up in arms if they're paying a dime or two more for a gallon of gas, especially if oil companies make "record profits." How much would your gas have to go up to equal $47? Really!
Study sees ethanol pushing up cost of food by $47 since July - May. 17, 2007
Meanwhile, people are up in arms if they're paying a dime or two more for a gallon of gas, especially if oil companies make "record profits." How much would your gas have to go up to equal $47? Really!
HEMI6point1
Nitro Member
I just think it's pathetic that a putting in a half-tank's worth of gas in my car (a '98 Sable) cost nearly $30. 
Nitrohaulic
Nitro Member
I think it's pathetic that so many poor people waste so much of their money on financing and depreciation on new cars, which I guarantee you costs them much more than whatever amount gas has gone up in however much time you want to compare to. She drives a $3,000 minivan that we bought at 5 years of age/60,000 miles (yes, the same one I had to tow back from Bowling Green and change the planetaries in last year), and my pickup is an 84, 454 dually that was bought used for $6,000 and has been paid for forever.
I only drive the latter when I'm home on weekends and need to but, if I had a normal life and it had to be my primary source of transportation? I could still buy the gas for less money than most people waste on financing and depreciation.
People want to pretend to know that the intentions of the oil companies is somehow evil. I would counter that with that, if I were going to pretend to know something, it might be that the liberal elitists who would socially engineer your lives given the chance, are the ones behind the liberal media convincing you that having the individual freedom and empowerment that fossil fuels have provided the masses is somehow a bad thing. It's funny how those people who preach one thing for you and me don't live anywhere near it, themselves. Unless, of course, you want to count their riding of bicycles from hotels to environmental events after flying private jets across country to GET to the hotels. The people who have the financial ability to live in a cave won't even START to do it! They'll have your a$$ in it, though.
The only cave I wanna live in has a flip top body.
Wow. I just noticed that this thread currently has 17 views and 16 replies. What a statistic. Pretty low view count, but pretty high percentage of people viewing who reply, huh?
Okay, what the hell's going on? Now I look down through here and I see a LOT of threads have one more view count than their reply count.
I only drive the latter when I'm home on weekends and need to but, if I had a normal life and it had to be my primary source of transportation? I could still buy the gas for less money than most people waste on financing and depreciation.
People want to pretend to know that the intentions of the oil companies is somehow evil. I would counter that with that, if I were going to pretend to know something, it might be that the liberal elitists who would socially engineer your lives given the chance, are the ones behind the liberal media convincing you that having the individual freedom and empowerment that fossil fuels have provided the masses is somehow a bad thing. It's funny how those people who preach one thing for you and me don't live anywhere near it, themselves. Unless, of course, you want to count their riding of bicycles from hotels to environmental events after flying private jets across country to GET to the hotels. The people who have the financial ability to live in a cave won't even START to do it! They'll have your a$$ in it, though.
The only cave I wanna live in has a flip top body.
Wow. I just noticed that this thread currently has 17 views and 16 replies. What a statistic. Pretty low view count, but pretty high percentage of people viewing who reply, huh?
Okay, what the hell's going on? Now I look down through here and I see a LOT of threads have one more view count than their reply count.
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