Bob
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competition eliminator question?
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Bill
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>>>"I'm not sure where you get this fascination with the word "outrunning". Not sure even what "outrunning" means in terms of a drag race, and your apparently subtle distinction between "outrunning" and getting to the finish line first under the rules.
"Outrunning" somebody is apparently not within your frame of reference because you've apparently never had to DO it.
"Outrunning somebody" entails beating them to the finish line, period, regardless of any restrictions as to how fast you are allowed to go, something that can never happen in a performance-restricted Eliminator such as the Super categories. What's the national record in Super Gas?
If you want to see the difference between drag racing and Bracket racing, just remove the breakout restrictions in the final round, and you'll be shown the difference between BEATING somebody and "outrunning" them.
It's not that complicated.
"Outrunning" somebody is apparently not within your frame of reference because you've apparently never had to DO it.
"Outrunning somebody" entails beating them to the finish line, period, regardless of any restrictions as to how fast you are allowed to go, something that can never happen in a performance-restricted Eliminator such as the Super categories. What's the national record in Super Gas?
If you want to see the difference between drag racing and Bracket racing, just remove the breakout restrictions in the final round, and you'll be shown the difference between BEATING somebody and "outrunning" them.
It's not that complicated.
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clwill
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Can you really say with a straight face that break-out racing is truly drag racing? As mentioned before, its not a knock on the abilities of racers in break out racing, it is just that it isn't really drag racing.
Can you imagine watching the 100 yard dash in the Olympics and see the first guy that crosses the finish line disqualified because he ran too fast?
Or how about the final lap of the Indy 500....The young Andretti is leading coming out of the final turn followed closely by Dario Franchitti...its going to be a close finish....the young Andretti crosses the finish line first....finally breaking the Andretti family Indy 500 jinx!!!! But ooohh wait....he went tooo fast and he is disqualified!!!
But ooooh wait, his car violated some obscure tech requirement, or his fuel was the wrong fuel, or he didn't have the proper size restrictor plate (in NASCAR), or his car weighed too little (in Drag Racing), or he was on drugs (and ran too fast in the Olympics), or ... and YES he is disqualified.
It's drag racing. You don't like it. I don't care. Racing with a breakout (be it bracket, or super class, or whatever) is what the vast majority of people who drag race do today. You really need to get over it.
clwill
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I left off the "and you lose". So sorry.
clwill
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It's not that important...
Bill
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No, it's not that important.
The only really important thing is this:
Bracket racing and drag racing are two completely different mindsets.
Sure, each one wants to win... that's the "same" part.
How they do it is the crux of the situation, and the whole reason that Bracket racing is not really drag racing; it's Bracket racing.
The people who drag race are always looking for that extra horsepower that will improve their e.t. or finish-line speed. The people who Bracket race don't NEED to go any quicker/faster, so they look for ways to make their cars more consistent, and leave harder.
Two completely different disciplines with dissimilar results. The folks who gave us 335 mph terminal speeds and e.t's in the mid-4's didn't do it with throttle stops and electronic timers. They did it a tenth of a mph at a time, and a hundredth of a second at a time, grinding it out over the years at sometimes, great personal sacrifice.
Those people are drag racers.
Bracket racers have given our sport longivity, and a future, of sorts, where without the Super Eliminators, and the local Bracket programs, the whole sport would have collapsed into history, long ago.
Is one more important than the other?
Hard to say, but I'd say, "No." Our sport wouldn't be the same without either group, and might not even be around for us to evaluate.
But they are definitely, two autonomous groups with disparate disciplines.
So, as I contended before, I truly believe that drag racing isn't Bracket racing, and Bracket racing isn't drag racing.
T/F is drag racing; add a throttle stop and an index, and it's Bracket racing.
Just my opinion...
The only really important thing is this:
Bracket racing and drag racing are two completely different mindsets.
Sure, each one wants to win... that's the "same" part.
How they do it is the crux of the situation, and the whole reason that Bracket racing is not really drag racing; it's Bracket racing.
The people who drag race are always looking for that extra horsepower that will improve their e.t. or finish-line speed. The people who Bracket race don't NEED to go any quicker/faster, so they look for ways to make their cars more consistent, and leave harder.
Two completely different disciplines with dissimilar results. The folks who gave us 335 mph terminal speeds and e.t's in the mid-4's didn't do it with throttle stops and electronic timers. They did it a tenth of a mph at a time, and a hundredth of a second at a time, grinding it out over the years at sometimes, great personal sacrifice.
Those people are drag racers.
Bracket racers have given our sport longivity, and a future, of sorts, where without the Super Eliminators, and the local Bracket programs, the whole sport would have collapsed into history, long ago.
Is one more important than the other?
Hard to say, but I'd say, "No." Our sport wouldn't be the same without either group, and might not even be around for us to evaluate.
But they are definitely, two autonomous groups with disparate disciplines.
So, as I contended before, I truly believe that drag racing isn't Bracket racing, and Bracket racing isn't drag racing.
T/F is drag racing; add a throttle stop and an index, and it's Bracket racing.
Just my opinion...
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>>And get into the "my checkbook's bigger than your checkbook" contest? No, thanks. I'm secure in my manhood. <<
Some classes in Comp are more expensive than others. I would bet some of the Altered and Dragster combo’s are less expensive than the guy’s I’ve seen that use a 700 inch bullet to go 8.90.
Just to clarify things, you can’t purchase a win in Comp. You work towards a win in Comp. The class is actually about working on your car and driving with no electronic aids. Comp is full of thinkers. People that are driven and dedicated to see their cars go faster the next time they drag them out. I’ve seen guy’s spend big bucks and can’t get their cars to go fast. I’ve seen hard working people with budget cars fly.
I’ve been drag racing since 1977. I started sticking my toe in the water for a Comp program in 2005. Just as a small example, prior to 2005 I thought wheelie bars were to keep a car from coming over backwards. My point is, until you run the class, you really don’t understand.
Some classes in Comp are more expensive than others. I would bet some of the Altered and Dragster combo’s are less expensive than the guy’s I’ve seen that use a 700 inch bullet to go 8.90.
Just to clarify things, you can’t purchase a win in Comp. You work towards a win in Comp. The class is actually about working on your car and driving with no electronic aids. Comp is full of thinkers. People that are driven and dedicated to see their cars go faster the next time they drag them out. I’ve seen guy’s spend big bucks and can’t get their cars to go fast. I’ve seen hard working people with budget cars fly.
I’ve been drag racing since 1977. I started sticking my toe in the water for a Comp program in 2005. Just as a small example, prior to 2005 I thought wheelie bars were to keep a car from coming over backwards. My point is, until you run the class, you really don’t understand.
Crash
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Yes I can.
Tell you what, you scratch me a check, I will go race Comp, or P/S, or whatever you consider "real drag racing" until then, I will race in a category that I can afford. Sorry it doesn't fit your requirements.
I love watching Comp at a track with great air! Watching those indexes go Splat!!!
