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Big Changes coming to Pro Stock

Snooooore....oh....excuse me I thought this was NITROmater!!

This could turn into a class that the fans don't leave the stands in droves when they run.

About 5 or 6 years ago I made basically these same two comments in a thread about pro stock. Within 24 hours I received a PM from a very big name pro stock driver telling me that I had no idea what I was talking about. Quote... "you must be one of those who doesn't know anything about real cars." Lol.

My point is...... be careful what you say (type) about pro stock. You might offend the current drivers and get a nasty PM.

I still have that PM saved here on nitromater after all these years.
 
Win on Sunday buy on Monday, don't they limit the number of these factory race cars they build and don't the factories have to meet some over all mile per gallon quota? So how many high horse power cars would they be able to build?

For the factories, it's not about selling "that" particular car; it's about selling any car or truck with their nameplate on it. If a customer loves that Camaro that Erica drives and it gets them to a showroom, but they only have a Spark budget, Chevrolet is not going to complain.

I'm not sure how you would legislate a wheels up launch, or even what the qualifications would be. Also, what would you do if say Enders didn't hang the front end 3 ft. off the ground? throw out the run? hat if that run decides whether or not she races on Sunday? Can you really justify a DNQ because someone didn't emulate WJ's '85 Olds Calais?.
No legislation on a run itself - what happens, happens; but just a simple spec on wheelie bar height. (My previous comment on this was purely for conjecture of "the show". I understand that if they keep current chassis configurations, this will likely never happen).
 
"We'll be right back for the finals in Pro Stock-Its Line vs. Anderson-Camaro vs Camaro!"--- Cue commercial--- "See the USA in your Chevrolet-the 2017 Camaro-from the 300 hp V-6 to the fire breathing Z-28- winner of the NHRA Winternationals..."
Yea I could see that happening again-if the cars look like real cars.
 
I think there might be some "jumping of the gun" here.

EFI is coming for sure, and I think you'll see a move towards more stock appearing bodies, as long as they can be safely implemented and hung on the current chassis. It's going to take some time to see if these new body types can be safely raced, it terms of aero downforce and efficiency.

As much as I'd personally like to see a return to stock-based powerplants, with blowers, etc.......I think that is going to take a while to figure out. Too many possible combinations out there, and they will have to figure out the potential HP output of these various engine configurations.

I'd love to see more wheels in the air in Pro Stock, even if they cars are slower by a couple of tenths. As to Imports.....hey as long as they fit the rules of the class, let 'em race. The more the merrier, right? I think a BMW or Mercedes Pro Stock would look awesome. Same with a Caddy! We need some variety in the class, as it stands now there are a pile of Camaro's and a couple of bubble-shaped Mopars. And the occasional Mustang, that barely qualifies.

I'm hoping we do see some major changes in Pro Stock, and I think eventually, we will. It's just not going to happen overnight.
 
It's funny, we all enjoyed the journey over the past decades, but don't like where we ended up. Meaning, for example, PS. Cool new class in '70, headsup, 10 sec cars that looked stock. Each year, a little quicker, faster, and more radical. Remember when acid dipping was a big deal? My point is, drag racing has always been about constantly improving, that's how after 50 years or so this is how we have the PS and fuel cars of today. I'm not sure what the new formula should look like, but a 1970 PS race wouldn't be too exciting today, when we have the factory stock cars running wheels up and into the 8's. I definitely think we've come so far that a re-do is in order, I'd just hate to be the guy to figure out what it looks like.
 
About 5 or 6 years ago I made basically these same two comments in a thread about pro stock. Within 24 hours I received a PM from a very big name pro stock driver telling me that I had no idea what I was talking about. Quote... "you must be one of those who doesn't know anything about real cars." Lol.

My point is...... be careful what you say (type) about pro stock. You might offend the current drivers and get a nasty PM.

I still have that PM saved here on nitromater after all these years.

There's no question that the technology and effort put in a PS vehicle is amazing and the results are equally amazing but it's still very much the same as standing along side the interstate and watching the cars go by. It's mostly boring and it leads to the same attitude that many NASCAR fans have. Do something, get out of shape, cross the center line, put your motor in orbit etc. Not that we want anyone ot get hurt or spend lots of cash. We're just plain spoiled and very bored by anything that doesn't shake the bleachers/ground, smell terrible and run 250 or better so we go to the blue room and concessions and then get drawn in by the sounds coming from nitro alley in the pits. We're terrible spectators.
 
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Have the cars stock appearing and get rid of the mile high hood scoops. No generic engines, use a factory engine with EFI and let them go at it.
 
Why do so many feel that by taking the big scoops off the PS cars and giving them EFI the class will be fixed? They will run the same and act the same, the ONLY difference will be improved visibility for the drivers. I think if there's an overhaul, they need to end up somewhere between the current cars and the factory built race cars than run in the 8's. IMO
 
About 5 or 6 years ago I made basically these same two comments in a thread about pro stock. Within 24 hours I received a PM from a very big name pro stock driver telling me that I had no idea what I was talking about. Quote... "you must be one of those who doesn't know anything about real cars." Lol.

My point is...... be careful what you say (type) about pro stock. You might offend the current drivers and get a nasty PM.

I still have that PM saved here on nitromater after all these years.
I can't imagine even caring about a negative PM on the internet.
 
I can't imagine even caring about a negative PM on the internet.

Oh trust me, I don't care. I just thought it was funny that this pro stock racer got his panties in a bunch because of a few comments that I made. This is the first time I have mentioned the negative PM and it happened 6 years ago.
 
The right way to fix this is bring all the PS teams that race NHRA, and chassis builders and have conference on what needs to be done. Powers to be tells what they want to do and hash it out, the racers, team owners, and builders fine a medium that will work. It will take more than 1 or 2 but it will be the right way and good for the sport.
 
About 5 or 6 years ago I made basically these same two comments in a thread about pro stock. Within 24 hours I received a PM from a very big name pro stock driver telling me that I had no idea what I was talking about. Quote... "you must be one of those who doesn't know anything about real cars." Lol.

My point is...... be careful what you say (type) about pro stock. You might offend the current drivers and get a nasty PM.

I still have that PM saved here on nitromater after all these years.

Now thats funny, I got a pm from I'll bet the same driver around that time also! I'll just say this, he does not drive a Chevy!
 
Wow, I just realized I've been a member here for nine years already! I remember a particular, non-GM, Pro Stock racer that used to post here. As they're one of my favorites, I will not name names, in case I am incorrect.
 
The difference is, while a Camry is made here, the profits go back to Japan. When you buy a Oshawa-built Camaro, the profits stay here in America.

Just an FYI....
The profits go straight to Wall Street, where they fund everything from your school teacher's IRA to the arms dealer selling weapons to ISIS... I can't believe people still think that boatloads of US money still sails over to a car manufacture in Japan.....
 
I'd like to think that the full-meal-deal transition to relevant engines/bodies/technology is truly in the works. There is a huge market segment that NHRA is essentially ignoring by not showcasing production-type vehicles with modern tech. This market segment includes, but is not limited to, OEM manufacturers, aftermarket suppliers, ancillary non-automotive sponsors, participants/builders/tuners, and _most importantly, new fan blood. Like Allen Johnson said in the CompPlus interview that if this is just about EFI and flat hoods it isn't enough. More must be done to prevent Pro Stock from becoming a history lesson and a bargain supermarket for Top Sportsman racers.

Production-dimension bodies are not that big of a stretch (pun intended) to install on existing Pro Stock chassis designs. Granted, the first generation of such a changeover might result in some mismatched body-to-chassis clearances, but only the trained eye would be able to spot it. The front overhang area would be the biggest change, though, as the current trend in production hot rods is to chop off the nose of the car just forward of the fenders. As far as aero is concerned, there are true stock-body, small-tire cars running as fast or faster than current Pro Stock cars in the back-half of the track so that issue should be quickly squashed. I'd even venture out with regard to downforce and allow adjustable front splitters and rear wings as opposed to spoilers.

I like the long-pitched idea of shorter and/or higher wheelie bars to get those cars to carry the front end for the first gear change.

In the area of power, YES to EFI, forced induction (supercharged, turbocharged), 400 cube max, production design (Hemi, LS, Coyote, iForce [Toyota], etc.) V-8's for all the reasons listed above.
 
Interesting comments from the PS contingent willing to answer the questions. I don't think making the switch to EFI primarily has anything to do with removing hood scoops. That would just be a nice side benefit. I think it's more about racing technology that is featured on showroom vehicles. Doesn't Rickie Smith run a variant of EFI in Pro Mod with the help of Pat Musi? Obviously anytime changes are made it's going to cost money. It's interesting that Allen Johnson feels it'll cost about $100,000 per team while Larry Morgan half-ed that estimate. Also, I agree with AJ in that bolting on EFI to the current 500 ci format won't do anything for the class. They really need to make some big changes to get the manufacturers back involved. It would be nice to hear from a rep at either GM or Mopar about the possibility of downsizing the cubes.
 

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