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"THE" DON pays "THE" FINE.!!!

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This comment right here is why Forums start to lose all their glory and just become a good ol fashioned beat down. Totally unproffessional way to express your opinion Alan.

The " beat down" started with the very first post!!! Why/how is Alan's post "unprofessional"? He is just another mater expressing his opinion!!!

Alan & Russ both nailed it perfectly!!!
 
This comment right here is why Forums start to lose all their glory and just become a good ol fashioned beat down. Totally unproffessional way to express your opinion Alan.


Opinion?

Read what Chris Williams posted. That's the rules, not my opinion.

Unless you have an issue with the last line of my post. If you do, that's fine. I just get sick of people who don't know all the facts, getting down on NHRA because they enforced the rules that were clearly spelled out long before the Vegas incident.

Alan
 
The problem is that when the kid with 1 joint only gets a slap on the wrist with no real penalty, he realizes he can break the law. He then may have 2 joints or more because he has lost respect for the law. He may then be well on his way to becoming the next Gotti. If it's law it should be enforced.
 
Read what Chris Williams posted. That's the rules, not my opinion.

Interestingly, further down in the rule I quoted is the line:

Any participant who violates any rule regarding nitromethane shall be banned from competition at the applicable event, or be subject to such other penalty deemed appropriate by NHRA.

If you think about it, making the team(s) sit out the Vegas1 event could have been a real disaster for DSR. (Probably not for Tony -- he had a couple of races in the bank... :) ). So one could even say $100k was preferable to that possible sanction.
 
Except that the rulebook is quite clear on the subject. Page 64, Section 1:6. To wit:

Only nitromethane from an NHRA-accepted supplier may be brought on site or used on site at any NHRA POWERade Drag Racing series event.


If I remember correctly...Tom Compton gave Don the ok to use his fuel. I did some research and here is my findings.

Drag Racing Internet Magazine - Competition Plus.com - NITROGATE – A DON SCHUMACHER INTERVIEW

Prior to Gainesville this year in 2008, Tom Compton told me that my fuel was legal in the NHRA.

So why was he fined if Tom told him it was ok???

Just isn't right in my view.

Shannon
 
If I remember correctly...Tom Compton gave Don the ok to use his fuel. I did some research and here is my findings.

Drag Racing Internet Magazine - Competition Plus.com - NITROGATE – A DON SCHUMACHER INTERVIEW

Prior to Gainesville this year in 2008, Tom Compton told me that my fuel was legal in the NHRA.

So why was he fined if Tom told him it was ok???

Just isn't right in my view.

Shannon

And I assume that was the source of the appeal. I don't know what happened there, or what it takes to be an "approved" supplier. My point was only that the rule was clear. :(
 
And I assume that was the source of the appeal. I don't know what happened there, or what it takes to be an "approved" supplier. My point was only that the rule was clear. :(

I understand that Chris.... I was just interesting in knowing why Tom Compton told Don his fuel was Legal and then all of a sudden it wasn't. I think that is the question that everyone wants answered. Its like so many other issues that just get sweeped under the carpet and never answered by the NHRA!


Shannon
 
Don was supplying nitro to racers on monday,the day after sunday-race day & had NHRA's approval to do this for testing on mondays,so the fuel was setting there not being sold or used on race day! at the very least he should have been told to cover it up or put it in a trailer out of sight on race day.bad deal,typical over reaction fron NHRA!
 
That would have been a laugh had Don refused to pay the Fine and NHRA held back the Championship Trophy? What a PR disaster that would be.
 
I understand that Chris.... I was just interesting in knowing why Tom Compton told Don his fuel was Legal and then all of a sudden it wasn't. I think that is the question that everyone wants answered. Its like so many other issues that just get sweeped under the carpet and never answered by the NHRA!


Shannon

DS: Well, I would never use anything illegal in the first place. My reading and understanding of all the NHRA rules in reference to nitromethane is that there were two approved suppliers announced in 2004 and that is Dow-Angus and Wego Chemical. Prior to Gainesville this year in 2008, Tom Compton told me that my fuel was legal in the NHRA. Tom wasn't aware that I had been in negotiations with Wego Chemicals since January and had since come to an agreement with them for me to actually exit the nitromethane business.




CP: What prompted all of this? I mean did somebody just come walking by and see the fuel and say, "Oh that's illegal."

DS: Graham Light came into our pit area in a very strong manner in reference to nitromethane. He asked me about it and I said I don't know, we've requested for the nitromethane that we've had stored in Las Vegas to be brought over but I don't know if it has been or hasn't. There was some additional conversation with some team members on the Rockstar team and that's the way it preceded but I don't know what prompted Graham light to initially come over so I couldn't say what prompted that conversation. We weren't trying to hide anything because we had nothing to hide.

CP: Were the barrels out in the open?DS: No they were upstairs in the trailer.

Interesting, Unless Graham has X ray vision, Now who do you suppose told Graham about the possibility of a $100,000 windfall to NHRA?

Legal Definition of 'Entrapment'
 
I thought that this was all about taking possession of fuel he left there at the track for storage, during the event, and not after the event was over? That it put his allowed amount of fuel in possession during an event, over the allowed amount, and being it wasnt the "allowed" type for the event, then added insult to injury when they came down on him. Had he left it in storage there, and picked it up on Monday, ..........anyhow the amount of the fine is shocking to say the least.
 
Opinion?

Read what Chris Williams posted. That's the rules, not my opinion.

Unless you have an issue with the last line of my post. If you do, that's fine. I just get sick of people who don't know all the facts, getting down on NHRA because they enforced the rules that were clearly spelled out long before the Vegas incident.

Alan

You are correct Alan, in regard to this situation.

However, NHRA has been known to change, “The Rules" without notice to the racers or its sponsors for that matter. This is not an opinion, it's a fact. I speak from personal experience.

I will give credit where it is due and go on record as saying, “NHRA is the best Drag Racing sanctioning body in the world”. I will also say, “There is a great deal of room for improvement on their business practices, policies, and at times… Ethics". In all fairness, NHRA’s actions have contributed to its reputation within the Drag Racing Community.

That being said… I LOVE YOU MAN!!!!! And I miss seeing you brother. ;)


P.S.: I loved the last line of your post. We wouldn't have you any other way!
 
Except that the rulebook is quite clear on the subject. Page 64, Section 1:6. To wit:

Only nitromethane from an NHRA-accepted supplier may be brought on site or used on site at any NHRA POWERade Drag Racing series event.

Further:

Fuel, whether in the vehicle or otherwise, as well as transporters and pit areas, will be checked for compliance with this rule as deemed appropriate by NHRA.

The fuel was not from an approved supplier, it was found in a transporter at a national event. Pretty clear.

Yer right sir, it IS clear. I guess my question is WHY is this rule needed?? To me, nhra should only be concerned with the percent in the tank, not who or where you buy it from. Lets not over regulate.
 
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