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[big guy]

It sure looked like he won to me.

 

[Percboy]

It sure looked like he won to me.

I`m just thankful it wasnt one of them Summit cars involved...this thread would be 75 pages long already
Wheres the screen capture? We allowed to post one here?

 

[murdock]

From where I was sitting I couldn't tell. But then, we were sitting up on the hill overlooking the track at about the 200' mark.

 

[Johnny Mopar]

Look at the slo-mo at the finish line. Sure looks like his car crossed the line first.

I thought the same thing and paid close attention on the replay. Allen's front chin was slightly ahead of Erica's. One point of interest is NHRA's calculation resulted in a "five (5) inch margin of victory". Watching the slow motion replay, there is no way she was five inches ahead of him. When you stop the frame, he's slightly ahead at the stripe, not five inches behind.

 

[Bullard Anderson]

At the very least it looked like a "dead heat."

 

[Johnny Mopar]

At the very least it looked like a "dead heat."

It certainly didn't look like the the five inch margin of victory that was announced.

In professional horse racing they use timing equipment, but they also (still) use a frozen image (freeze frame) of the noses to verify the victory as they cross the finish line. The camera images of AJ/EE differed greatly from the announced margin of victory.

 

[FC138fan]

It certainly didn't look like the the five inch margin of victory that was announced.

In professional horse racing they use timing equipment, but they also (still) use a frozen image (freeze frame) of the noses to verify the victory as they cross the finish line. The camera images of AJ/EE differed greatly from the announced margin of victory.

For what its worth, if you do the math-

Erica ran 205.26mph

205.26 mph X 0.001sec (margin) X 5280 ft/mi x 1hr/60min X 1min/60sec X 12in/ft = 3.62 inches.

Pretty darn close. You can't tell who won visually - Im sure the camera wasn't precisely on the finish line, so theres some skew there. Plus try to see 3.6 inches from 30 yards away... its near impossible.

That run makes the who got the light award at the next race on jumbotron.

 

[SundayNiagara]

For what its worth, if you do the math-

Erica ran 205.26mph

205.26 mph X 0.001sec (margin) X 5280 ft/mi x 1hr/60min X 1min/60sec X 12in/ft = 3.62 inches.

Pretty darn close. You can't tell who won visually - Im sure the camera wasn't precisely on the finish line, so theres some skew there. Plus try to see 3.6 inches from 30 yards away... its near impossible.

That run makes the who got the light award at the next race on jumbotron.

Post of the year candidate!

 

[chop]

I didn't see it but you bet on one thing,they can't wait for her to win a race. It will be nonstop EE all the time if and when she does. If anybody remembers her first foray in P/S,her long time friend Scoop Geiger baited the rest of the P/S drivers with who's going to be the first man to lose to her. Well,it was Rickie Smith and things didn't go well @ the top end. I don't remember what was said but it wasn't pretty. One time they showed a long shot picture of her crying @ the top end and some said it shouldn't have been shown. If they didn't want to see her crying,she should have done it in the trailer out of sight. I'm not bashing her,just telling the truth. Personally, I couldn't care less if she wins or loses but there's some who can't wait.

 

[Rat]

This is not a conspiracy again! I provided stats and a few other good posts provided alternative math and explanations and in every example EE still prevails so there is no way that Allen crossed the line first. The TV ain't gonna pick it up, and I would think half the MOV's we see are even closer than they really appear. Pure and simple, Erica won!

 

[TooTall999]

W) Erica Enders (ZaZa Energy Cobalt) 0.014 6.697 205.26
(L) Allen Johnson (Mopar/J & J Racing Avenger) 0.020 6.692 205.41
The numbers don't lie...AJ would have needed to run a 6.690 to overcome her starting line advantage.

 

[Rat]

Maybe the conspiracy here should be why AJ drifted toward the centerline and lost the race. Let's Investigate

 

[clwill]

W) Erica Enders (ZaZa Energy Cobalt) 0.014 6.697 205.26
(L) Allen Johnson (Mopar/J & J Racing Avenger) 0.020 6.692 205.41
The numbers don't lie...AJ would have needed to run a 6.690 to overcome her starting line advantage.

All you "numbers don't lie" people need to remember that it's just a computer -- garbage in, garbage out. All the "numbers" you quote come from the same computer system. That's like saying a ruler can't be wrong because it's a ruler. If it was made wrong, it's wrong.

Again, I'm not saying there's a conspiracy, but all you people who are blindly accepting the computer-generated numbers are forgetting that computers make mistakes. All the time. Trust me, 25 years in the computer business, it could be wrong.

I'm not advocating that anything be done, I'm not advocating that she didn't win. I'm just laughing at all the "the numbers prove it" people, when the numbers all come from the same system that declared the winner. It is within the realm of possibility that the system was wrong.

 

[SkidMark]

All you "numbers don't lie" people need to remember that it's just a computer -- garbage in, garbage out. All the "numbers" you quote come from the same computer system. That's like saying a ruler can't be wrong because it's a ruler. If it was made wrong, it's wrong.

Again, I'm not saying there's a conspiracy, but all you people who are blindly accepting the computer-generated numbers are forgetting that computers make mistakes. All the time. Trust me, 25 years in the computer business, it could be wrong.

I'm not advocating that anything be done, I'm not advocating that she didn't win. I'm just laughing at all the "the numbers prove it" people, when the numbers all come from the same system that declared the winner. It is within the realm of possibility that the system was wrong.

Like ...

 

[sparky]

I'm not tech savy enough to post a still pic from tellecast , anyone else have the skills ?

 

[FINMAN]

What I saw was Alan's scoreboard light up first, was hard to tell by the camera who was ahead.

 

[Paul]

Like ...

Chris is correct, I'm not saying it happened but there are definitely several possibilities on how the electronic timing system can give a bad result, I'll list two.

These systems are generally controlled by microcontrollers, often servicing a variety of multiple inputs and outputs (the photocells, the user input controls, the displays, etc.)

Its possible that there is a flaw in the microcontrollers software design so that with a certain set of input conditions and program state that the reception of a photo cell input gets delayed, causing an incorrect slower time for one car. A very careful design of this electronic system could make this extremely unlikely but depending on how the design was done a problem like this is not out of the question.

But a much more likely cause of an incorrect result are the photo cells.

Its possible that at the top end a piece of debris (a leaf, etc.) driven by the wind turbulence broke the finish line beam in Erica's lane a split second before the nose of her car broke the beam. This could have given her an incorrect faster time and incorrect win light, even though it appears that the nose of Alan Johnson's car was ahead of hers in the lights.

I'm not saying this happened but things like this have happened in the past so its not out of the question. If it did happen, I blame it on the Al-Anabi team, they probably dropped a sushi wrapper on the track that got blown in the beams (just a joke fellas).

 

[none]

Hey Paul,

While there have been instances of debris breaking the beams that would also result in a high MPH stopping the speed timer quicker. And that didn't happen in this case.

Personally I thought she was ahead in the final too, must have just been the camera angle that gave Mike the win....

Alan

 

[Tumbleweed]

Hey Paul,

must have just been the camera angle that gave Mike the win....

Alan

LOL Good One Alan!!

 

[SundayNiagara]

I can't believe this thread continues on, get a life, folks!