Could things be going from bad to worse for JFR? (2 Viewers)

[rckymtn3]

Two things I love about this post....

1) I think it's great that there's actual sympathy being shown the most dominating person in NHRA history.

2) I went to a drag racing message board and a physics/biology lesson broke out.

 

[vegasnitro]

That's the best one yet - oil sinks to the bottom of the ocean, held down by the weight of the water.?

Care to elaborate why it was the best one yet? From a physics standpoint, I find no error with my statement.

The depth is the problem with cleaning up the spill. The depth (and resulting pressure from a mile of water above it) "traps" the oil on the bottom and we have no means to go down that deep and get it. The only oil BP has cleaned up is the oil that reached the surface, a relatively small percentage of the total spill.

I would hate to see JFR lose their sponsorship, but if it is related to the spill in even the slightest way ... BP needs to handle that first. Despite their PR campaign, the bottom of the Gulf is a mess and is dying. Otherwise, NHRA really needs to look at the whole business model and develop a way for teams to provide a better ROI for sponsors.

A year after the spill:

Has BP really cleaned up the Gulf oil spill? | Environment | The Guardian

3 years after the spill:

Study: "Dirty bathtub" buried oil from BP spill - CBS News

 

[vegasnitro]

Two things I love about this post....

1) I think it's great that there's actual sympathy being shown the most dominating person in NHRA history.

2) I went to a drag racing message board and a physics/biology lesson broke out.

Drag racing is ALL physics. One of the reasons I love it so much.

 

[cephus]

all goods things come to an end sooner or later, Karma

 

[Toejam]

I wish JFR all the best but his sponsorship situation is not good. Castrol/BP will look at the statistics and return on investment much the same way Ford did and so will potential sponsors new to the sport. Will they come to the same conclusion Ford did? There is a good chance they will. A good deal of that is the status of our overall economy and has nothing to do with JFR or NHRA. If our economic situation was the same as in 2006 we would not be having this conversation.

I never thought I would see the day where JFR has any kind of Sponsor woes!

 

[chop]

I threw all of my Force stuff in the garbage when he supported this administration who I don't support. I no longer buy Castrol either. Let's face it,this could be the end for organized drag racing. Phord pulls out and possibly Castrol. These two alone won't kill NHRA but the whole cluster very well could. NASCAR survives because of TV revenues,NHRA pays to be on TV. The younger generation isn't into cars/racing like previous generations and without them,it's over.I'm usually an optimistic guy but what I'm seeing right now doesn't bode well for NHRA.

 

[Vern]

I can only see Toyota having the money he needs. would not shock me a bit if that happens.

 

[cephus]

idea,, move the alky guys up culdnt hurt,, maybe sponsors c how boring the same ole $#%^ is and gettin no return

 

[Luke Nieuwhof]

Let's face it,this could be the end for organized drag racing.

Chicken Little goes drag racing!
Worst case scenario Force loses Castrol and Ford - I have no doubt he will find another sponsor in a very rapid fashion. Massive levels of fan support, a household name, the only one of the old legends still completing, plus a couple of daughters who attract new fans.
Maybe it's not the end, but the beginning...

 

[rckymtn3]

I threw all of my Force stuff in the garbage when he supported this administration who I don't support. I no longer buy Castrol either. Let's face it,this could be the end for organized drag racing. Phord pulls out and possibly Castrol. These two alone won't kill NHRA but the whole cluster very well could. NASCAR survives because of TV revenues,NHRA pays to be on TV. The younger generation isn't into cars/racing like previous generations and without them,it's over.I'm usually an optimistic guy but what I'm seeing right now doesn't bode well for NHRA.

I always sense the same things from people who listen to a select group of radio/news programming....the end is nigh.

If you were really smart, you would have sold the Force stuff on eBay, and had money to buy a double-sided plywood sign to hang around your neck and enough paint to share your political views with whoever bothers to look over at you at the stop light.

Chicken Little goes drag racing!

lol...I'm usually a very optimistic guy, but.....WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE!!!

 

[vegasnitro]

Good article on the front page of ESPN.com.

NHRA - The unflappable John Force will land on his feet - ESPN

I have a dumb question ... Why would the greatest driver in Funny Car history be more marketable in a Top Fuel dragster?

 

[Race Fan]

I threw all of my Force stuff in the garbage when he supported this administration who I don't support. I no longer buy Castrol either. Let's face it,this could be the end for organized drag racing. Phord pulls out and possibly Castrol. These two alone won't kill NHRA but the whole cluster very well could. NASCAR survives because of TV revenues,NHRA pays to be on TV. The younger generation isn't into cars/racing like previous generations and without them,it's over.I'm usually an optimistic guy but what I'm seeing right now doesn't bode well for NHRA.

Sure you did....right. Everybody believes you.

 

[PJ]

Good article on the front page of ESPN.com.

NHRA - The unflappable John Force will land on his feet - ESPN

I have a dumb question ... Why would the greatest driver in Funny Car history be more marketable in a Top Fuel dragster?

maybe not more marketable but depending on the sponsor it might be more what they are looking for.

 

[rckymtn3]

Good article on the front page of ESPN.com.

NHRA - The unflappable John Force will land on his feet - ESPN

I have a dumb question ... Why would the greatest driver in Funny Car history be more marketable in a Top Fuel dragster?

two reasons....both the same really.

history, and potential.

There's two big time FC drivers that got LOADS of ink and attention when they moved to TF. Though Prudhomme and Bernstein both ran TF previously, Don much more so than Kenny, they still got a whole lot of attention. Two World Champion FC drivers moving to TF to possibly earn Championships in TF.

The same would happen with Force.

So, any company hitching their wagon to that switch-over would get tons of exposure.

 

[Jah]

I remember where I saw the oil floats on water experiment. My kids 5th grade science class!

Density—Sink and Float for Liquids | Chapter 3: Density | Middle School Chemistry

Put simply: 1) Oil does not mix with water, 2) Oil floats on water.

17% of the spill was directly recovered. 32% was burned, skimmed or naturally dispersed. 25% EVAPORATED. 26% was "other" - mostly meaning it couldn't be found. (According to NOAA)

NOAA - Federal Interagency Group Issues Peer-Reviewed 'Oil Budget' Technical Documentation

And to put it into further perspective - what couldn't be found amounts for less than 1 month's natural seepage into the Gulf. And the scientists assume that some very, very fat, happy oil eating microbes finished off the rest.

Fun times? Hardly, 11 guys died - but my point is that when people wave about opinions about "big business sticking it to the little man" and "greedy profiteers" and other such nonsense not based on fact, you have business reconsider their commitment to investing in your town, your country and YOUR SPORT.

The LAST thing we should do as a fan community is bash car manufacturers oil companies and the TV stations that carry the sport. Surely that makes sense to you? Surely you know that sponsors read these boards? And others?

Thank you sponsors for what you do for NHRA and our favorite teams. Without you we'd be watching Street Outlaws with the rest of the rabble....

 

[Jeff]

Chris, your earlier statement substantially out-did your question,

Nice response Darrell. Much more polite than anything I could muster.

Ignorance tends to breed contempt.

 

[FC138fan]

If I were a sponsor of any single fuel team in the NHRA and my contract were up with a specific team, I would put a bid on any John Force team first above anything else.

In other words, couldn't John pretty much have his pick of any current major sponsor in the fuel ranks? Isn't it better for any sponsor anywhere in NHRA to have their sticker on a Force car then any other car anywhere?

Maybe he won't be able to get a sponsor to pay for every resource under the sun, and the best of the best of the best in parts and crew... but I'm sure he'll do just fine.

 

[Paul]

I remember where I saw the oil floats on water experiment. My kids 5th grade science class!

Density—Sink and Float for Liquids | Chapter 3: Density | Middle School Chemistry

Put simply: 1) Oil does not mix with water, 2) Oil floats on water.

17% of the spill was directly recovered. 32% was burned, skimmed or naturally dispersed. 25% EVAPORATED. 26% was "other" - mostly meaning it couldn't be found. (According to NOAA)

NOAA - Federal Interagency Group Issues Peer-Reviewed 'Oil Budget' Technical Documentation

And to put it into further perspective - what couldn't be found amounts for less than 1 month's natural seepage into the Gulf. And the scientists assume that some very, very fat, happy oil eating microbes finished off the rest.

Fun times? Hardly, 11 guys died - but my point is that when people wave about opinions about "big business sticking it to the little man" and "greedy profiteers" and other such nonsense not based on fact, you have business reconsider their commitment to investing in your town, your country and YOUR SPORT.

Perfectly stated, I couldn't have said it any better. The opposing view is the general view of environmentalists, which I don't agree with as there's very little actual evidence to support it. The reason why I brought up this subject is because of what's happening with the fraud ongoing with the payout of the settlement which is complete BS in my opinion.

 

[SundayNiagara]

Are we turning this into a political discussion? I hope not!

 

[Nunz]

Nothing lasts forever. It always seemed like there would be a Bud King fuel car. Here's the biggest problem: The dollars it takes to run these pro teams, Pro Stock included. Makes it way more gut-wrenching to lose a sponsor when you have to go find someone willing to spend the better part of 2-3 MIL to be a major sponsor. I think the time has come to re-invent the sport and cultivate a new audience. Us diehards aren't going anywhere. What if Pro Stock became 8 sec wheelstanding musclecars based on the factory rides we can buy? What if we had 30-40 5 sec. fuel FCs showing up to qualify, based on rules similar to the current nostalgia cars? I'm telling ya', no matter how well the economy recovers, finding Army and Ford and Castrol size backing will NEVER be easy. Think about this, was it ever easy during the best of economic times?