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Controversial Teardown
- Thread starter Bobby Bennett
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DrRocket
Nitro Member
Is this new??
I would have a hard time leaving a six figure race car to be taken apart by people who I don't know all that well, without someone from my team present to watch. I could see keeping the crew chief or driver or owner out, but I'm sure like to have a trusted SOMEONE from the team present.
I would have a hard time leaving a six figure race car to be taken apart by people who I don't know all that well, without someone from my team present to watch. I could see keeping the crew chief or driver or owner out, but I'm sure like to have a trusted SOMEONE from the team present.
Sean D, shondoo
Nitro Member
There is no way in hell I would leave my car, no matter what the class, to be tore down without me or someone I trusted present. That is beyond ludicrous.
Sean D
Sean D
HEMI6point1
Nitro Member
Exactly. If this is standard operation procedure, they need to change it. Otherwise they're opening themselves up for a lawsuit.
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Nitro Member
Absolutely agreed. Furthermore, I'd be happy to be booted out of an event if I or someone I designate to be present were not allowed.
Astounding. We live in "interesting" times, folks.
Sean D, shondoo
Nitro Member
Absolutely agreed. Furthermore, I'd be happy to be booted out of an event if I or someone I designate to be present were not allowed.
Astounding. We live in "interesting" times, folks.
Amen, Paul! Go ahead and give me my walking papers if that's how it's done.
Sean D
That sounds like a major load of BS. If It was my car, I would want myself and a crew chief (if I had one hired) present at all times and just the tech guy/guys and NO ONE ELSE. If I couldn't be present, I'd honestly tell them tough **** and deal with the consequences. No cameras and no bs and just let the tech guys do thier job. Do they (the team) get any $ for the tear down when they are shown to be legit?
I doubt very seriously they are taking any motors apart. They are probably looking for traction control devices or some other illegal electrical performance devices. I think when NASCAR impounds a car,nobody is there but the tech crew. Let's say if a crew member could remove a device with slight of hand,that's out if there's no crew member present. I'm not implying that anybody is cheating but if NHRA is doing it this way,they're probably onto something or have good reason to do so.
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Nitro Member
What a bunch of BS! A member of the crew should be allowed to stay with the car to oversee what is going on. They obviously should not be allowed to touch anything but there's no reason they can't spectate and keep an eye on what's going one. This is standard stuff in motorcycle roadracing and a team member or engine builder is always allowed to be there to watch.
Nick Name
Nitro Member
Compton would have no problem putting something back together that he took apart. Just chill
Bill
Nitro Member
I have never understood NHRA's knee-jerk reaction to "traction control," es[ecially in Pro Stock where the cars don't have the kind of traction problems a Fuel car has...
What is it about "traction control", if everybody (in Pro Stock) had it, that NHRA thinks is anathema to drag racing???
Can anyone on this board explain to me just exactly HOW a traction control device, if legalized, would damage the racing experience for the racer OR the fan? I (obviously) don't get it...
I've been watching drag racing since 1955, and I can't figure out, if the playing field is level (everyone has one of these units), what exactly is the objection.... especially to the extent that NHRA would spend time and money trying to catch somebody with one on their car in a teardown barn.
Sounds idiotic to me... the whole thing.
If there was EVER an issue that should (and, could) unite the PRO drivers, this one should be it... They could "en masse" tell NHRA to go pound sand the next time NHRA tries to pull a stunt like this.
I think there'll be high-level fallout from this business, and soon.
Bill
What is it about "traction control", if everybody (in Pro Stock) had it, that NHRA thinks is anathema to drag racing???
Can anyone on this board explain to me just exactly HOW a traction control device, if legalized, would damage the racing experience for the racer OR the fan? I (obviously) don't get it...
I've been watching drag racing since 1955, and I can't figure out, if the playing field is level (everyone has one of these units), what exactly is the objection.... especially to the extent that NHRA would spend time and money trying to catch somebody with one on their car in a teardown barn.
Sounds idiotic to me... the whole thing.
If there was EVER an issue that should (and, could) unite the PRO drivers, this one should be it... They could "en masse" tell NHRA to go pound sand the next time NHRA tries to pull a stunt like this.
I think there'll be high-level fallout from this business, and soon.
Bill
I really doubt NHRA's intentions was to find traction control, yet we will never really know.
The sanctioning bodies concerns with traction control are two-fold. First their perception is it will create cars tuned by code rather than crew-chiefs. This might be the case if enough money is spent developing the traction control. For example F-1 with their unlimited budgets. I really don't think it would happen in drag racing, especially PS with the lack of engine management compared to F-1 and the 'dumb' clutch system. 'Dumb' meaning its purely mechanical and feedback to the clutch from a traction control system is pretty much impossible.
Secondly the expenses involved. If another equation is added legally to the class formula, its another continuing expense for teams. Continuing because there will always be another new traction control device every team must purchase to be competitive.
With this all said, I work with a traction control supplier. We have been making traction control for outlaw style drag racing for several years. If you have kept up with the ADRL lately you might have noticed that they are thinking about outlawing TC. This is after allowing it since the inception of the ADRL. Their concerns I believe are just like I mentioned above. The nice thing that the ADRL has done is to poll the racers and make a decision based on their input. It will be an interesting week ahead.
Toby
DragTraction.Com
The sanctioning bodies concerns with traction control are two-fold. First their perception is it will create cars tuned by code rather than crew-chiefs. This might be the case if enough money is spent developing the traction control. For example F-1 with their unlimited budgets. I really don't think it would happen in drag racing, especially PS with the lack of engine management compared to F-1 and the 'dumb' clutch system. 'Dumb' meaning its purely mechanical and feedback to the clutch from a traction control system is pretty much impossible.
Secondly the expenses involved. If another equation is added legally to the class formula, its another continuing expense for teams. Continuing because there will always be another new traction control device every team must purchase to be competitive.
With this all said, I work with a traction control supplier. We have been making traction control for outlaw style drag racing for several years. If you have kept up with the ADRL lately you might have noticed that they are thinking about outlawing TC. This is after allowing it since the inception of the ADRL. Their concerns I believe are just like I mentioned above. The nice thing that the ADRL has done is to poll the racers and make a decision based on their input. It will be an interesting week ahead.
Toby
DragTraction.Com
Compton would have no problem putting something back together that he took apart. Just chill
Let's see him put NHRA back together again then.
mastertone
Nitro Member
NASCAR takes whole cars to another state! And the same with engines. I don't think if your legal it would matter. I just think they should do it at the end of the event, not in the middle of it. Makes for a late night or early morning then for the teams.
