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Allen Johnson DQd for Alcohol

WRONG At least in IL it is. May be different in Min. But I think you might want to make a phone call. I have a feeling you are going to ge a surprise. I have been a CDL class A license holder for over 20 years On MANY occasions I know of drivers in there personal vehicles get DUIs and be under .08. There isn't a double standard for a CDL holder. We are supposed to be Professionals in everything we drive.
No, I'm not wrong.

I have also had my commercial license for 20 years (in fact it's been exactly 20 years as of this year) and know for a fact I'm not wrong. I have proved I'm right on several local message boards over the last few years. You wouldn't believe how many people are confused on this topic. You may want to make a call yourself. :)

Scroll back 2 pages and read Brent Busch's post number 114..... or click here:
http://www.nitromater.com/nhra/26365-allen-johnson-dqd-alcohol-8.html#post253860


Also, I found this is posted on an Illinois lawyer's website via a google search:
But even if your regular license is valid, a DUI arrest can effect your CDL in spite of the fact that you were not operating a CMV. While driving your personal vehicle, refusing to take the breath test, or registering .08 or higher, will result in a 12 month DQ of your CDL. (if you were operating a CMV, the BAC cutoff is .04).

Illinois DUI arrests and traffic offenses for CDL holders - Illinois DUI Lawyer Blawg
 
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No, I'm not wrong.

I have also had my commercial license for 20 years (in fact it's been exactly 20 years as of this year) and know for a fact I'm not wrong. I have proved I'm right on several local message boards over the last few years. You wouldn't believe how many people are confused on this topic. You may want to make a call yourself. :)

Scroll back 2 pages and read Brent Busch's post number 114..... or click here:
http://www.nitromater.com/nhra/26365-allen-johnson-dqd-alcohol-8.html#post253860


Also, I found this is posted on an Illinois lawyer's website via a google search:


Illinois DUI arrests and traffic offenses for CDL holders - Illinois DUI Lawyer Blawg

I've had a commercial license for 20 years, too. Best answer is "Just don't drink and drive." Why would you risk your career by having to submit to some test at the side of the road in the first place because you had one or two?
 
Actually I have. But I'm also a second chance type of person. Over the years I've had 3 recovering (in the program) guys on my team. One of them just celebrated 25 years of sobriety. He appreciates the booze free atmosphere in our pit. You are free to stop by for a Diet Pepsi or bottled water any time!

I'm very up front about the rules. They may not work for everyone else's team, but that's the way we chose to operate.

After AJ's deal I'm sure more than a few of the drivers will give a little more thought to what they order to drink with dinner after the racing activities are over.

RG

Maybe it's just me, but I don't see how drinking a beer or two AFTER the car is serviced can be a problem! Now a Crewguy showing up after a night of drinking and is Sick as a dog I can certainly understand, but a casual beer Or two I think is excessive!
 
Maybe it's just me, but I don't see how drinking a beer or two AFTER the car is serviced can be a problem! Now a Crewguy showing up after a night of drinking and is Sick as a dog I can certainly understand, but a casual beer Or two I think is excessive!

There is NFW you blow a .027 at 8:00am if you had one beer with dinner 11 hours earlier. The "casual beer or two" is not the issue.

And I don't buy the "breathalyzers aren't definitive" argument. If this _was_ a "casual beer or two", and it _was_ 11-12 hours earlier, and it _was_ a random selection (not a case of reasonable suspicion), we'd be hearing some protestations. There are none. Sorry your honor, guilty as charged. I throw myself on the mercy of the court.

I'm with Randy (shock!), why risk it? Why drink on a race weekend, if the consequences are your shot at the championship you've been working your whole life for? Why drink at the races at all?

All we have in our pit is a cooler filled with dozens of ice-cold water bottles. Stop by and get one, we share.
 
There is NFW you blow a .027 at 8:00am if you had one beer with dinner 11 hours earlier. The "casual beer or two" is not the issue.

And I don't buy the "breathalyzers aren't definitive" argument. If this _was_ a "casual beer or two", and it _was_ 11-12 hours earlier, and it _was_ a random selection (not a case of reasonable suspicion), we'd be hearing some protestations. There are none. Sorry your honor, guilty as charged. I throw myself on the mercy of the court.

I'm with Randy (shock!), why risk it? Why drink on a race weekend, if the consequences are your shot at the championship you've been working your whole life for? Why drink at the races at all?

All we have in our pit is a cooler filled with dozens of ice-cold water bottles. Stop by and get one, we share.


I was referring to Crewmembers, not drivers! And Im willing to bet that in order to pull a .027 at 10 AM, AJ had to drop a serious amount of alcohol the night before! I certainly can't prove anything, just that Im as experienced at drinking Booze as the next guy!
 
Maybe it's just me, but I don't see how drinking a beer or two AFTER the car is serviced can be a problem! Now a Crewguy showing up after a night of drinking and is Sick as a dog I can certainly understand, but a casual beer Or two I think is excessive!

I respect your opinion, but I am responsible for the safety of the kid in my car who's going upwards of 260 miles per hour. Maybe if you had to look into the eyes of a kid strapped in your car who is trusting your every decision with his life you'd have the same rules, too. If you can't do without your "beer or two" then I can do without you for the weekend. As you said..."Maybe it's just me."
 
I agree with Joe on on the crew members, but I also agree with Randy, it's his team and he has every right to set the rules any way he wants.

Commercial license: .02 puts you out of service-.04 puts you out of a job-dosen't matter what you are driving at the time you get checked. Push it and live with the results.
 
Just gotta jump in here.

Matt Guidera did show up in time for the test, but couldn’t produce a measurable urine sample.

In similar situations NASCAR “keeps” someone who can’t produce a measurable urine sample in the testing facility until they can. And yes, they supply all the water you can drink to help.

Dave Ring, you have good friends, but believe me, there are guys out there who will down a brew in the pits BEFORE they run. I’ve seen it more than once.

I think the point that’s missing here is that regardless of the amount of alcohol in a driver’s system, it will absolutely affect his driving and reactions. We have all seen the school tests where someone drinks a single glass of wine and then can’t navigate through a parking lot with highway cones demarking the route. It doesn’t take much to alter your perceptions and ability to think and act rationally.

In days of yore I once had a Funny Car driver in a match race situation hand me a, er, uh, hand-rolled cigarette after a big inhale, stating, “Hold this, Jon. I’ll be right back.” But that was in a different world.

I think in this situation that Allen simply didn’t realize the alcohol would still be in his system that many hours later. As Paul Rogers, Jr. and Jenn Jaramillo correctly point out, if AJ was guilty of anything he would have postponed the test until the last possible second.

PJ, it’s a one-shot deal with NHRA. No second chances.

Rich Venza, this doesn’t have a darn thing to do with being politically correct. It has everything to do with trying to keep people under the influence out of race cars and the sport safe for everyone.

Eric Boyungs, you may have a point, but at the same time you’re assuming the worst about the men and women who race for our enjoyment. Anyone who had a serious problem with alcohol or drugs, or was doing them in the pits, would have probably long since been found out. I’m not suggesting there isn’t a fall-down drunk out there racing every national event, but it’s unlikely.

Michael Wall, I think that’s unlikely. This is a guy who showed up “early” for his test, had no trouble passing the drug portion and is considered one of the sport’s good guys. Attitude and the like ultimately have a great deal to do with punishments.

Paul Sapienza, what would you have had NHRA do? Slap his wrist, say “Be a good boy and don’t drink?” You can’t alter punishments from stated rules because of “special” circumstances like the Countdown.

Chris Rosenberger, you are way off base in suggesting that NHRA gives one single s—t what MADD thinks. This was absolutely about safety. Having every driver blow in the balloon would be time-intensive, and largely a waste of it.

Brett Konken, I also thoroughly read the NJ State Police autopsy report and further agree with you that the alcohol involved probably had nothing to do with the accident – but how can we know that for sure? A driver with NO alcohol in his system may have reacted differently, but we will never know that.

Geez, Tony Baker, ya think? Of COURSE you’re right!

And so is Alan Barrett about the celebrating AFTER the race.

Randy Headley, this is no different than some major college teams and conferences as well as many pro sports opertions. Without beer advertising and support a lot of sporting events wouldn’t exist. Yeah, it’s a double-edged sword, but that’s the world we live in.

Jack Issi, while you have a point, I agree with Carl Lowell in that it’s impractical.

There is no INTENT to catch anyone with the random testing, but when you think about it, that’s exactly why it’s done that way. If everyone knew when the testing was going to take place they’d change their lifestyles accordingly (please do not bring up the ludicrous drug testing in some pro leagues!). The random testing catches out those that make what appear to be honest errors in judgment (Allen Johnson), as well as those who are secret, hard-core druggies or drinkers (Your Name here!). I don’t think we have to worry about the Allen Johnsons of the world, but we darn sure need to be leery of that other guy. We need to get him off the track until he cleans himself up. Otherwise, every competitor, every official and every spectator could be at risk because of how that “other guy” might incorrectly react to something his car does, or how he might simply drive it to the last turnoff under full throttle because he’s too stoned to know where the finish line is.

Jim Bowen, we all really agree with you on what’s important and what isn’t. But for a lot of people these discussions are relaxation, and the more impassioned they are about what’s said here, the better the discussion might become.

Hey Ted. Chill! We need to drag this on until at least the Finals. You know, set a ‘Mater record for the most comments on a thread!

Thank you, Christopher L. Williams.

He said it perfectly.

I can’t take another second of this.

Jon Asher
Senior Editor
CompetitionPlus.com
 
I apologize for the back-to-backs.

Joe Sherwood, I thought you were smarter than that. You are as wrong as you could possibly be about it being okay to have a beer or two after the car is serviced. I'll just assume you meant after the end of qualifying, but I'm with Randy Goodwin on this. If you can't do without your beer, do without racing with me.

I think it's acceptable to have a beer - a single beer - WITH dinner AFTER you leave the track. BEFORE 8:00 PM. If you don't get to the restaurant until 8:30, then do without that single beer.

I liked and had - and continue to have - great respect for every guy who climbed into the Jade Grenade, from Ted Thomas to Sarge Arciero, Ted Wolf, Ron Atterbury and Don Roberts. There is no chance in hell that I ever would have turned a wrench on that car under the influence of anything (believe me, they didn't let me do anything "important!"). When I knew I was going racing with the car I stopped doing the things I was doing, period.

How anyone could face themselves after some racing tragedy when they knew they were probably still a little "buzzed" when they torqued the wheels - both of which departed the car in the lights - is beyond me.

Jon Asher
 
Actually I have. But I'm also a second chance type of person. Over the years I've had 3 recovering (in the program) guys on my team. One of them just celebrated 25 years of sobriety. He appreciates the booze free atmosphere in our pit. You are free to stop by for a Diet Pepsi or bottled water any time!

I'm very up front about the rules. They may not work for everyone else's team, but that's the way we chose to operate.

After AJ's deal I'm sure more than a few of the drivers will give a little more thought to what they order to drink with dinner after the racing activities are over.

RG

Bravo, Randy. You've just earned yourself a permanent fan.
 
I apologize for the back-to-backs.

Joe Sherwood, I thought you were smarter than that. You are as wrong as you could possibly be about it being okay to have a beer or two after the car is serviced. I'll just assume you meant after the end of qualifying, but I'm with Randy Goodwin on this. If you can't do without your beer, do without racing with me.

I think it's acceptable to have a beer - a single beer - WITH dinner AFTER you leave the track. BEFORE 8:00 PM. If you don't get to the restaurant until 8:30, then do without that single beer.

I liked and had - and continue to have - great respect for every guy who climbed into the Jade Grenade, from Ted Thomas to Sarge Arciero, Ted Wolf, Ron Atterbury and Don Roberts. There is no chance in hell that I ever would have turned a wrench on that car under the influence of anything (believe me, they didn't let me do anything "important!"). When I knew I was going racing with the car I stopped doing the things I was doing, period.

How anyone could face themselves after some racing tragedy when they knew they were probably still a little "buzzed" when they torqued the wheels - both of which departed the car in the lights - is beyond me.

Jon Asher

Yes Jon I meant After the final run of the day! Have any of you been to the Boatdrags?? Doesn't get much more dangerous than that, after the final boat has gone down the lake it's Open season in the Pits! There's Beer drinking in just about every Pit! Must be a different culture...:rolleyes:
 
I haven't gone racing with RG in several years, but if I ever decided to come back the first rule is NO ALCOHOL IN THE PITS, NO EXCEPTIONS.

Now, Diet Pepsi is a whole different story:D
 
If I sit at the house Saturday night, and watch college football with 3 Old Brown Dog Ales I will feel it the next day (36 years old). I mean not a pounding head or what not. But my body will tell me I had some beer Saturday night. Not a lot, but enough to know.

I'm not saying I can't drive a car the next day.

I am saying that from a super hyped competitive standpoint knowing I had a race, or athletic event on the line the next day, I would steer clear of anything that might slow me down......EVEN if it was only .025 seconds. ;)

I not talking about the rights of others with this post, I"m just talking about being smart, and being at the tip top of your game especially given you may only have 6.79 seconds to be perfect.

I would be drinking water and eating Vegean Cheescake :)

.............

btw, on college football, I love the OVER 54.5 Oregon vs. Arizona State. Final: Classic PAC10 45-33.
 
I can't count how many times I've strolled through the pits (especially Sportsman) on a Saturday Night after the thrashes are over, and have been invited into someone's pit area for BBQ and a beer. It's usually a very casual and fun environment, lots of bench racing going on.......

It wasn't all that long ago, within the last 5 years that we stopped by a multi-time Pro Stock Champion's pit area on a Saturday night in Baytown and there was a bar set up in the pit area, several teams and drivers all enjoying a cocktail......

Go out for dinner at ANY restaurant near an NHRA event on a Friday and Saturday evening and you will see plenty of racers, crews, NHRA officials, etc. having cocktails with their dinner......

I'm just saying.......
 
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I can't count how many times I've strolled through the pits (especially Sportsman) on a Saturday Night after the thrashes are over, and have been invited into someone's pit area for BBQ and a beer. It's usually a very casual and fun environment, lots of bench racing going on.......

It wasn't all that long ago, within the last 5 years that we stopped by a muli-time Pro Stock Champion's pit area on a Saturday night in Baytown and there was a bar set up in the pit area, several teams and drivers all enjoying a cocktail......

Go out for dinner at ANY restaurant near an NHRA event on a Friday and Saturday evening and you will see plenty of racers, crews, NHRA officials, etc. having cocktails with their dinner......

I'm just saying.......

Go to the Ale House in Gainesville, you see plenty of that!:rolleyes:
 
Go to the Ale House in Gainesville, you see plenty of that!:rolleyes:

Just like anything else, within reason. You don't need to get s**t faced drunk to have a good time. I know when we would go to Denver years ago it kinda bothered me seeing the safety safari at a restaurant downing a few pitchers at the table next to us, and many pro drivers having a few drinks but hey that's the way drag racing is and has always been. Not condoning it just saying.
 
Just like anything else, within reason. You don't need to get s**t faced drunk to have a good time. I know when we would go to Denver years ago it kinda bothered me seeing the safety safari at a restaurant downing a few pitchers at the table next to us.............
I agree 100% with what you wrote Rick, I don't see anything wrong within moderation. However when you go back and read some of the pathetic posts in this thread, you would swear that these people were sitting at the table next to AJ last Friday watching him down pitcher after pitcher...........It's kind of sad to think that people won't be able to go out to dinner now without having to look over their shoulder's and wonder who's judging them, screw that. :cool:
 
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