Von Smith goes way past the Shut down! (1 Viewer)

StarLink
High Speed Internet
Available AnyWhere On Earth
Now $349


Toejam

Nitro Member
Joined
Jul 10, 2006
Messages
9,757
Age
64
Location
Albuquerque, NM
Did anyone catch how fast he blasted through there? I bet they bent the car up pretty good, bet that sure beats the alternative! Makes you wonder what would've happened had that run been at E-Town?:rolleyes:
 
That was incredible video!!! Big ups to Von for seeing that tree and steering away from it. How did he see it with all that was going on?!?!?!

For starters there was only one of them, compared to a forest. Probably because it stood out.......

I was watching that and wondered WHAT the HELL THAT tree was doing there.:confused::eek: At least someone got at least reactive and chopped the thing down (proactive if preferable........that also COULD have got ugly.)

I gotta' admit Norwalks shutdown looked wayyyyyyyyyyy better than E-Towns.

The car might bounce and buck and hey, even roll. But that, dissipates energy, instead of all that energy coming to a stop instantly.

That's more like it, IMO.:)

So the car gets beat up, at least the driver is alive to complain about it.;)

REX
 
Thank god that Von had the "extra room" to stop, when they interviewed Tony P he talked about that tree (he also said alot of other drivers expressed concern over it), the Baders took care of the problem tree in a hurry, kudo's to the Baders for acting fast.
 
Just another illustration of how useless sand traps are in their current configuration.
 
Just another illustration of how useless sand traps are in their current configuration.

And also how open areas don't stop hurtling objects dead in their tracks.

At least everyone is up and around walking and talking.

It's a start.

But yeah, we have a ways to go.

REX
 
And also how open areas don't stop hurtling objects dead in their tracks.

At least everyone is up and around walking and talking.

It's a start.

But yeah, we have a ways to go.

REX


oh I know , no criticism of Norwalk intended. Just saying the obvious. don't expect the sand trap to trap anything.
 
Thoughts about Norwalks sand trap as I drove up to the track on Friday was it did not seem to bad as to what was described as being there and then ending into 2 ditches and going right into the runway of the airport. It looked fairly "smooth" but safe. Not to be critical of the Baders, who do a great job with their facility, but the run off needs a large upgrading. After watching the replay of the AA/AFC go off the end, How come I don't know wether it was late chute or bouncing from the brake application that car went through the sand like a hot knife through butter and hit the grassy runoff and bounced around very hard. That trap needs to be at least double and the grass runoff NEEDS to like a golf fairway. I don't know wether that car continued the race or not, but I've got to believe any TF or FC could continue to race after getting bounced like that.
 
I've noticed that some of these sandtraps are more like a patch of pacted dirt. Von Smith didn't even appear to lose any speed going over the sand trap at Norwalk.
 
Yeak that sand trap didn't do much It looked like he kept his momentum through the sand easily, A catch net probably would have been even worse.
Nhra definitely needs to come up with something other than sand and a net.
I didn't think about safety at the far end of the track as much until now it just seems waaaay outdated. Kinda silly infact.Its crazy just strapping yourself in one of these cars let alone worrying about getting them stopped, These guys and gals truley are daredevils. [/QUOTE]
 
Last edited:
There is a saying I learned from Dale Pulde when licensing, "Life begins after the lights" which has ALWAYS stuck w/ me...
 
While I may be going to college to major in mechanical engineering, I don't need a 32,000 dollar degree to know that you don't want ANYTHING to go from 250+- MPH to 0 MPH too quickly, even if the driver has the HANS or whatever device JFR uses. After so many negative G's, the brian will slam against the forehead.

While I think the Von Smith deal was uncalled for (especially with that tree there), I think having a net at the end of the sand trap would have been a bad move. I think it was better that he was able to run out into the grass and slide it to a stop, than go from 250 to 50 in under a handful of seconds.

I think the best thing for any shutdown area to have is a minimum 350 foot sand pit with 2 standard nets at 50 and 125 foot, a chain of interlinked tires (with 3/8" grade 4 bolts holding the tires tread to tread) at 200 and 300 foot, and a 3 layer wall of tires in front of any solid object, such as a wall, that may be at the end of the sand pit.

Now, as I expect to get hammered over the tire chain idea, here's my explanation. Tires have often been used in road course racing as a precurser to hitting the concrete wall, before the SAFER barrier was put into widespread use. But I think water barrels are just bad debris waiting to happen. When you hit a water barrel, the plastic collapses, and water goes everywhere. No real protection. It would help if the barrel was metal, but then you get into safety concerns. Tires are a good compromise because they will stretch, deform, and asorb energy. But they also have rebound.

My theory is that when a body car (a dragster would just go under it, which you can't really avoid even with a net) hits the chain, the tires would stretch into a horizontal oval, asorbing the energy and slowing the car down, but when all the energy is asorbed that cna be, the bolts will either shear (remmeber, grade 4) and pull through the rubber, the chain will come apart (getting rid of the action-reaction effect), and the car will go into the second chain with a slower speed. So the car would hit 50 foot of sand, a net, 75 more feet of sand, another net, 75 feet of more sand, a tire chain, 100 feet, another tire chain, 50 feet of sand, then a 3 layer tire wall. Between digging into the sand and hitting 4 restraint devices, I couldn't imagine a whole lot of things making it to the end.
 
Last edited:
Without a doubt, the cheapest Rule change NHRA could mandate is in the chutes! All we've heard for over a week now is that the sport needs wholesale changes! Von Smith just proved you only(?) have to go 250 MPH without a parachute to go 4 wheeling! And that's if you don't hit any blunt objects!
 
250 isn't even necessary. Chutes, brakes, steering, visibility, or conscious driver -- lose any 2 and I'd venture that even 150 is more than enough to kill someone. Slowing top speed isn't the key variable, stopping them when something goes wrong is.
 
250 isn't even necessary. Chutes, brakes, steering, visibility, or conscious driver -- lose any 2 and I'd venture that even 150 is more than enough to kill someone. Slowing top speed isn't the key variable, stopping them when something goes wrong is.

Anyone notice Greg Anderson locked up his brakes trying to stop? I guess we need to look at slowing down the Pro stocker's now?:p
 
Ways To Support Nitromater

Users who are viewing this thread

Back
Top