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Johnny Mopar
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That's fantastic. I hope Roy wins it all.
I spent quite a bit of time with Doug Duell last weekend at Monster Mopar Weekend in St Louis. His drag pack car runs in A/SA and is the fastest in the country, running consistent 9.60's at will. He runs the SRT 6.1 Liter HEMI built and maintained by Indy Cylinder Head. That car is amazing...
mick
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thanks for pointing this out - will nhra revise the ratings for these
late model cars?......what transpired to let them run with their
present ratings?
I doubt that NHRA will do any adjusting to these cars. After all,Mopar and Ford are the only two that has any thing to do with NHRA. I'm not saying they haven't or will not,but I doubt it.
Johnny Mopar
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Mike,
There's nothing "bogus" about a 3,500 pound car with a 392 cubic inch engine running 1.25 60' times and clicking off 9.60's in the quarter. You may have your issues with NHRA's indexing, but the performance numbers these cars produce prove they're the real thing.
I didn't say they wouldn't run but as with the Mustangs,just spin the blower a little faster.The D/SA record is 10.39,he's running 9.60's,8 tenths under the Nat'l record. This thread is about him being the #1 qualifier and my response is about the bogus HP ratings on the newer cars,that's all. They need to sell new cars,right? You want to talk about performance? the #1 qualifier in Indy was 1.82 under,IN A FREAKING PT CRUISER,talk about bogus.
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Bob
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Absolutely right about the bogus HP ratings. They will get horsepower added every time one of them runs far enough under the index, but it will take a while for them to get to a realistic rating. Meanwhile, they are obsoleting a lot of good older stockers that got as quick as they are through decades of hard work by their owners. As to Blossom's PT Cruiser, if I remember right, that car combination has been re-factured up two or three classes.I didn't say they wouldn't run but as with the Mustangs,just spin the blower a little faster.The D/SA record is 10.39,he's running 9.60's,8 tenths under the Nat'l record. This thread is about him being the #1 qualifier and my response is about the bogus HP ratings on the newer cars,that's all. They need to sell new cars,right? You want to talk about performance? the #1 qualifier in Indy was 1.82 under,IN A FREAKING PT CRUISER,talk about bogus.
Johnny Mopar
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I didn't say they wouldn't run but as with the Mustangs,just spin the blower a little faster.The D/SA record is 10.39,he's running 9.60's,8 tenths under the Nat'l record. This thread is about him being the #1 qualifier and my response is about the bogus HP ratings on the newer cars,that's all. They need to sell new cars,right? You want to talk about performance? the #1 qualifier in Indy was 1.82 under,IN A FREAKING PT CRUISER,talk about bogus.
Understood regarding the blown Mustangs. There are no huffers on the Challengers. I saw Duell's A/SA car run quicker than 426 HEMI Belvideres with cross rams and two fours. The neat thing about the Challenger is that it weighs as much as the mid-60's Belvideres and Coronets and is quicker. Another advancement in the new generation HEMI is the cooling. They ran the new motor 10 passes...back to back in the heat of the summer and it never overheated. The motor has over 200 passes on it and hasn't needed anything. Can't say that about the 426 style motor...
......wait......1.4 looks ridiculous!Thanks Bob for saying it. This is what's wrong with these new car bogus HP ratings.There's guys who have been beating on their cars and spending big $$$$$ for YEARS to get where they need to be. The new cars show up with these bogus HP ratings,take off in drive,sip on a soda and run light years under the index. I know for a fact that if you buy a Cobra Jet,they will get you where you need to be by sending you a "tuneup". This is wrong,pure and simple.
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Bob
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Thanks Mike. I don't know everything there is to know about these cars, so I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong, but as far as I know the CJ's and DP's are not street legal cars when delivered from the factory. I have no problem with that - in fact it tickles me pink that the factories are building race-only cars like Mopar did with the '68 Hemi Darts and Barracudas. But, I am troubled with the fact that they are racing in stock. I think they should be restricted to racing in Super Stock, and until the horsepower factors shake down into reality they should be running heads up only against each other. The only way that I know of to make that happen would be to re-classify them into their own SS/-X factory experimental classes. Isn't that what they really are?
Johnny Mopar
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You make an interesting point regarding 'tuneups'. Yes, the factories provide baseline tuneups and setups for those cars...just as they did in the 60's. I've had numerous conversations with Arlon Vanke, Ronnie Sox, Buddy Martin and several other Mopar sponsored racers from the 60's. They all received exact tuneup details. In fact, Arlon was asked by Chrysler to build a car from scratch (in two weeks!) to go after a record that Bill Jenkins held at the time. Arlon recieved new parts, pieces and exact details to build the motor, suspension and car for competition in two weeks. He finished the car in time and lowered the new record by nearly a half second.
Sure it's happening now, and it always has happened.
When I speak of tuneups,I mean in the case of the Cobra Jets,a different pulley for the blower. Tuneups for these cars are done by COMPUTER,not the old way of trial and error. Again,I'm not taking anything away from the newer cars but let's be real about what they are and how they got here. Bogus HP ratings have been part of it for ever,but these cars are way out of line.
Professor Dave
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Mr. Johnson found out about Mr. Fletcher this morning.
Car#-Driver(Opp'nt)-RT-----ET-- Speed-----Car#-Driver(Opp'nt)-RT-----ET-- Speed
1781 Dan Fletcher 2216 Roy Johnson
E2 ****WINNER**** 0.008 11.219 109.19 0.067 10.231 124.26
E/SA Dial: 11.14 (+/-): 0.079 D/SA Dial: 10.15 (+/-): 0.081
Prior rounds:
E1 (F Maiolo ) 0.026 11.203 0.053 0.102 10.226 0.056
Qualified: #32 11.072 -0.628 #1 10.145 -1.405
Dan Fletcher's MOV: 0.0615 seconds (approximately 11 feet).
Car#-Driver(Opp'nt)-RT-----ET-- Speed-----Car#-Driver(Opp'nt)-RT-----ET-- Speed
1781 Dan Fletcher 2216 Roy Johnson
E2 ****WINNER**** 0.008 11.219 109.19 0.067 10.231 124.26
E/SA Dial: 11.14 (+/-): 0.079 D/SA Dial: 10.15 (+/-): 0.081
Prior rounds:
E1 (F Maiolo ) 0.026 11.203 0.053 0.102 10.226 0.056
Qualified: #32 11.072 -0.628 #1 10.145 -1.405
Dan Fletcher's MOV: 0.0615 seconds (approximately 11 feet).
Sean D, shondoo
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Bob
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This begs the question - could Johnson add weight to his car and run it in E/SA? If so, Fletch would have been toast running against that car heads up....and it would work the same way if Fletch were to lighten his car enough to run it in D/SA.
Reese
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Yes, there was a drag pak running E/SA in Belle Rose(Paul Candies) and he was trying to set the record but I don't think he did. The hp factors on these cars are bogus but that's not the racers fault.
There need to be a F/X class in stock for the new cars but at least Mopar and Ford are bringing new life to the class. (I myself like the older stockers)
Also I think Doug's car is the only Challenger that is not a drag pack, he got tried of waiting on Mopar to start making them so he built his own one. So if you ask me, he has the only legit one. Even if the hp factors are wrong.
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