Is it really rocket science? (1 Viewer)

[Mike]

Same story, different year. Pardon the sarcasm, but does it really require a phd to recognize more often than not, weather tends to be wet at Maple Grove this time of year?

Seems like an easy call to swap the Maple Grove date with Topeka (or pick your spring/summer race )for example. Just feels like deja vu.... Maple Grove weekend, must be a washout. Heck, even switching with the Charlotte 2 date two weeks earlier would probably work out better weather-wise.

Insanity has been defined as doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. When they draw up the 2018 schedule, I hope NHRA will not be afraid to make a change.

 

[Paul]

Same story, different year. Pardon the sarcasm, but does it really require a phd to recognize more often than not, weather tends to be wet at Maple Grove this time of year?

Seems like an easy call to swap the Maple Grove date with Topeka (or pick your spring/summer race )for example. Just feels like deja vu.... Maple Grove weekend, must be a washout. Heck, even switching with the Charlotte 2 date two weeks earlier would probably work out better weather-wise.

Insanity has been defined as doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. When they draw up the 2018 schedule, I hope NHRA will not be afraid to make a change.

Reading had the Sept date that Charlotte has for almost 20 years and it nearly rained every year. They moved the race to August and you know what happened, it rained!. Can't move it to late May with E-town having the early June date, the 2 tracks are about 100 miles from each other. I think October is probably the safest bet to try and avoid the rain, but I just think the place is jinxed.

 

[Mike]

One other thing I should add is its not just rain. This weekend, for example, there have been issues with temperature and dewpoint. Swapping a date with an earlier race (Topeka for example) wouldn't eliminate the possibility of rain, but it would help with the dew point/temperature issue that is more of a risk at this time of year.

Regarding Etown, it could swap with Joliet, for example. That would put it 6 weeks apart if Reading swapped with Topeka. I dont want to get any deeper in the weeds regarding which tracks swap what dates, except to say my point is there are scheduling things NHRA can do to maximize chances of weather being less of an issue, whether cold, heat, or historically wet times of the year.

After all, there is a reason the Phoenix race is in late winter and not in the middle of July.

 

[Dave]

I made a similar post on a different message board. It seems logical. I would move Topeka or Bristol to the fall date. Topeka's fall race in the later years had its share of weather issues also. It happens. I'd put Reading in mid-May to kick off the northeastern swing with Epping and E-Town. The fact that they are 100 miles away doesn't mean anything if they are 3 to 4 weeks apart.

Sure it rained in Sept, it rained more in Oct, they tried August and it rained more. So do we just go, oh well it's gonna rain just leave it alone? I love having Maple Grove on the schedule. It's not a knock on them at all. It's a great racetrack. But lately it's been a waste of a national event. Full days and so many sessions cancelled is terrible for fans and profit alike. Not to mention it's a Countdown race where every point matters. When you start taking points opportunities off the table that isn't any good. Guess we'll see how next year goes!

Oh one more thing, there is a gap in the NHRA schedule next weekend in case of a weather issue, but Maple Grove has their big Dutch classic occupying that slot. Another big schedule snafu that leaves NHRA no option of waiting a weekend.

 

[T.Smith]

Just comical.

 

[stitcherbob]

Rain has always been associated with Maple Grove, but Sept.11 figured into the first move to an October date...

Maple Grove timeline
1923 – Alfred and Edna Stauffer purchase land in Brecknock Township for logging business. As each parcel is cleared, he starts to develop it.

1928 – Maple Grove Park swimming pool opens

1930s – Brecknock Speedway, on the site of present MGR, opens as oval track. Operated by John Fuzer, the half-mile dirt track features sprint cars.

1940s – Brecknock Speedway closes and land is purchased by Alfred Stauffer

1957 – Friendship Motorcycle Club receives Stauffer’s permission to run eighth-mile drag races. To cut down on number of rocks kicked up by the motorcycles, Stauffer paves starting line with concrete, a racing first. Strip is built inside of old oval track and runs parallel to Bowmansville Road, about 90 degrees from the today’s track on the spectator side.

1960 – A group of local racers from the Eastern Custom Car Association – including George Weiler, Carl Ruth, Bob Eveland and Lee Crupi – approaches Stauffer about converting track into full dragstrip that can be used by cars.

1962 – Maple Grove Drag-O-Way opens in August. Carved out of the terrain by John and Roy Stauffer, the track is a fifth-mile long and 30 feet wide.

1963 – Track is widened by 10 feet for safety and a dual-lane timer is installed. Alfred Stauffer and other family members visit Cecil Country Dragway for ideas and it’s decided to expand the track again for the ’64 season.

1964 – Track is lengthened to 4,000 feet long and 60 feet wide to allow quarter-mile racing. Bob Cassidy hits 180 mph in an AA/Gas Dragster and J.D. Zink runs 225 mph in a jet.

1965 – Lighting is added. Stauffer purchases the diesel power plant used during construction of Baltimore’s Harbor Tunnel for the lights. Stauffer dies in December at 80 while surveying another piece of property.

1966 – Bob Eveland leases Maple Grove Dragway and joins the NHRA divisional program.

1967 – Maple Grove leaves NHRA for NASCAR sanction.

1968 – Marvin Schwartz makes Top Fuel pass of 6.91 seconds and Ron Rivero hits 204 mph.

1969 – Maple Grove returns to the NHRA and receives one of five Northeast Division World Championship Series events.

1971 – Maple Grove gets its first Northeast Division points meet; First Pennsylvania Dutch Classic and Money Trail season series. Joe and Mike Lewis are named managers. Pit area size doubled for NHRA WCS meet, which draws 425 cars and 6,500 fans.

1972 – NHRA WCS washed out by tropical storm Agnes. Lex Dudas joins MGR staff in place of Joe Lewis. Bob Parmer makes pass of 6.96 in set AA/Fuel Altered national record.

1973 – In a memorable pass, Pat Dakin wins the Top Fuel title in the All-American Pro Series with a holeshot pass of 6.15 seconds that beats Don Garlits, who ran 6.14.

1974 – MGR is named Track of the Year in the NHRA Northeast Division. Local racer Larry Lombardo wins NHRA WCS in Pro Stock.

1975 – MGR wins division Track of the Year award again as Lombardo repeats in the WCS.

1976 – NHRA Northeast Division track operators organize the first ET Finals where drivers from member tracks compete against each other for a team championship. Team Maple Grove took second place in the first Finals at York, Pa. Since then, Team Maple Grove has won 12 championships (the latest in 2010), the most for any track in the nation. At the Pennsylvania Dutch Classic, the legendary “Jungle Jim” Liberman wins the Funny Car title over teammate Roy Harris.

1977 – Top Fuel driver Bob Edwards dies during the semifinals at the Dutch Classic. Raymond Beadle wins the first U.S. Funny Car Nationals.

1978 – Another close call at the Dutch Classic as Gary Burgin defeats Ed McCulloch (6.14 to 6.15) for the Funny Car title. Paul “Dodger” Glenn dies of injuries suffered during semifinal Funny Car accident at the Winston WCS meet.

1979 – Lex Dudas leaves MGR to become director of the NHRA Southeast Division. Mike Lewis is named general manager. Don Garlits wins the final Dutch Classic Top Fuel championship with a record run of 5.96 seconds. Al Segrini wins the U.S. Funny Car Nationals with a pass of 5.97 that ties the mark set by Don “The Snake” Prudhomme. MGR is again Track of the Year in the Northeast Division.

1980 – Maple Grove Dragway, Inc., becomes a separate operating corporation, Mike Lewis is named president.

1981 – Electronic scoreboards are installed and Budweiser sponsors new NHRA Eastern Regional event. Dick LaHaie, Gary Burgin and Frank Iaconio win regional titles before 20,000.

1982 – NHRA Regional is discontinued, so Maple Grove and Budweiser revive the Super Stock Nationals as one of two NHRA Pro Bonus events. Winners of the event include Joe Amato (Top Fuel), Dale Pulde (Funny Car) and Frank Iaconio (Pro Stock). Track pioneer Carl Ruth wins in Top Alcohol Funny Car. Event draws three-day crowd of 25,000. Connie Kalitta runs an ET of 5.61 on new track surface to provisionally break don Garlits’ NHRA Top Fuel record of 5.63 set in 1975, but it was not official because he could not back it up. Maple Grove is named NED Track of the Year.

1983 – Winston and MGR agree to build a VIP building and a reserved seat grandstand. Amato and Iaconio repeat as Super Stock Nationals winners, while Frank Hawley wins in Funny Car.

 

[stitcherbob]

1984 – NHRA awards MGR a national event in 1985. Rain forces postponement of Super Stock Nationals and another storm moves the Top Fuel and Funny Car finals to Englishtown, which are won by Connie Kalitta and Dale Pulde, respectively. Sportsman finals are finished at MGR two weeks later with Bill Walsh setting an NHRA record in Top Alcohol Dragster with a run of 6.33 and Fred Mandoline does the same in Alcohol Funny Car with a 6.32. More than 15,000 attend Super Chevy Sunday. Team Maple Grove wins first of unprecedented 12 ET Finals championships.

1985 – First NHRA Nationals; winners of the inaugural event were Don Garlits (Top Fuel), Tim Grose (Funny Car) and Bruce Allen (Pro Stock). Facility improvements are made, including a second reserved-seat grandstand, expansion of the pit area and 2,000 feet of fence to speed traffic flow.

1989 – Mike Lewis leaves MGR to take a position with NHRA, George Case is promoted to vice president/general manager. The $1 million expansion program is completed with the opening of the VIP Hospitality tower, new grandstands and track lighting system. A Compulink timing and scoring system is installed. First side-by-side four-second Top Fuel pass is accomplished by Joe Amato and Shirely Muldowney at the NHRA Keystone Nationals.

1990 – To raise money for Darrell Gwynn’s medical bills after the racer is paralyzed in an accident, a benefit softball game is held between drivers from the NHRA and NASCAR at Reading’s FirstEngergy Stadium. Over 13,000 crowd the ballpark and $150,000 is raised. Rain delays finals until night.

1991 – New return road that brings racers directly into the pits is complete as is a 3,200-foot concrete guardwall down the length of the track. Electronic scale is added.

1992 – MGR celebrates 30th anniversary. Retaining wall behind the starting line is completed. Cory McClenathan is first Top Fuel driver to complete run in 4.7 seconds at NHRA Nationals.

1994 – Mike Dunn and Blaine Johnson make first side-by-side Top Fuel pass in which both drivers eclipse 300 miles per hour at NHRA Nationals.

1995 – Team Maple Grove wins fifth ET Finals championship.

1996 –In the first Pro Stock Bike race at the NHRA Nationals, Angelle Sampey sets a national record with a pass of 7.373 seconds.

1997 – MGR celebrates 35th anniversary.

1999 – Lighting is improved in shutdown area.

2001 – Because of Sept. 11 attacks, NHRA Nationals are moved to October.

2002 – MGR celebrates 40th anniversary. First Geezers Reunion, which features nostalgia race cars, is held.

2003 – Due to hurricane-like weather, NHRA Nationals are moved from September to October.

2004 – New food court area is constructed, including a beer garden.

2007 – MGR celebrates 45th anniversary. The NHRA Nationals isn’t completed until Wednesday because of persistent rains. Sticking around to win are Doug Herbert (Top Fuel), Tony Pedregon (Funny Car), Dave Connolly (Pro Stock) and Matt Guidera (Pro Stock Bike).

2008 – Lex Dudas is named vice president/general manager and Mark Dawson joins staff as director of racing operations. Timing system is upgraded to Compulink fiber optics and new LED scoreboards are installed. The Alfred Stauffer Memorial Walk of Fame and Victory Lane are constructed behind the pitside grandstands. Team Maple Grove wins 10th ET Finals championships.

2009 – Track is extended to 4,075 feet making it one of the 10 longest in the nation; 300 feet of pavement was added, along with a 250-foot sandtrap. Part of track that crosses Kachel Road at the end is aligned with the pavement.

2010 – Track opens a month later with a new surface, including an extension of the concrete launch pad to 820 feet. Several track records fall during the Toyo Tires NHRA Nationals, including a national mark of 4.011 in Funny Car by Matt Hagan. Mark Dawson leaves to become Dragway Manager at Auto Club Dragway in California, Anthony Winchester is promoted to track manager.

2011 – Auto-Plus takes over sponsorship of the Nationals. The 27th annual Auto-Plus NHRA Nationals features two National records: Del Worsham, Top Fuel ET 3.735 and Jason Line Pro Stock ET 6.477. Worsham’s record pass came in a losing effort to Spencer Massey in the final of eliminations.

2012 – Maple Grove celebrates 50th anniversary with Anniversary Spectacular on June 23 with several dignitaries including grand marshal Don “The Snake” Prudhomme. Race features bracket cars, jet cars and Nostalgia Funny Cars, however Bob Motz’s jet truck steals the show. Four National records are set at the 28th annual Auto-Plus NHRA Nationals: Antron Brown, Top Fuel E.T. 3.701; Jack Beckman, Funny Car E.T. 3.986 and miles-per-hour 320.58; Andrew Hines, Pro Stock Motorcycle E.T. 6.728.

2013 – Team Maple Grove wins 13th Summit Racing ET finals championship. The Auto-Plus NHRA Nationals features three great days of sunny weather and fans pack the stands each day.

2014 -Anthony Winchester steps down as Track Manager. Jason Leber is promoted to Director of Racing Operations. The NHRA Nationals was once again a huge success even though a rain delay on Saturday morning.

2015 -Maple Grove Raceways concrete racing surface was extended in 2008 to the 770′ mark of the quarter mile track. In the spring of 2015 ownership elected to remove the remaining 550′ of asphalt and replace it with concrete, making Maple Grove one of the only total concrete quarter mile tracks in the east

 

[Nunz]

So what if NHRA says, "we're building our 2017 schedule around Maple Grove", meaning that event gets ANY weekend deemed to be the best. And then it rains. Then what? This is still the northeast. ALWAYS a chance of rain, if not, then there's a chance of snow. No, it really isn't rocket science. Just nature.

 

[stitcherbob]

lets swap E-Town's date with The Grove....broil vs drown

 

[JB3]

So what if NHRA says, "we're building our 2017 schedule around Maple Grove", meaning that event gets ANY weekend deemed to be the best. And then it rains. Then what? This is still the northeast. ALWAYS a chance of rain, if not, then there's a chance of snow. No, it really isn't rocket science. Just nature.

Exactly !! I would also bet that if you asked MG Management, they are willing to accept the risk of the September date because when the weather is good, the place is packed and the performances are unbelievable.

 

[Jer]

Exactly !! I would also bet that if you asked MG Management, they are willing to accept the risk of the September date because when the weather is good, the place is packed and the performances are unbelievable.

Im starting to think the reason its packed is bc everyone has tickets from the previus year after year ha.

 

[yoda]

A factor that has not been mentioned- and it is a big one- is the availability of lodging for 200-400 teams on the weekends that everyone wants to swap to. In some cases, the hotels in the area are actually busy almost all year around, and one of the dates moving could be a disaster to get all the teams in on an already compromised weekend.

 

[none]

Yesterday was partly cloudy and 75. Here's the 5 day starting today https://weather.com/weather/5day/l/USPA1348:1:US
If this had been our 4 day weather you would all be touting how NHRA was genius for moving the race to a record breaking time of the year.
It hadn't rained for weeks until we got there. But NHRA should have seen it coming and not scheduled the event on the three days of rain in the last 30 days. Got It!
Alan

 

[camaro]

say what u want about Maple Grove and the rain, but when they do race, it seems to pull in decent crowds

 

[Huge]

Right before the semi finals I thought maybe I would have some ice cream but the line was so long I had pizza instead...then right before the finals I went back to have some more pizza but the pizza line was so long that I had ice cream instead.

 

[Jer]

Right before the semi finals I thought maybe I would have some ice cream but the line was so long I had pizza instead...then right before the finals I went back to have some more pizza but the pizza line was so long that I had ice cream instead.

I love that Johnnys pizza,one of the best slices ive had. wish I could buy that in the store!!!

 

[CindyLu]

Maple Grove timeline
1940s – Brecknock Speedway closes and land is purchased by Alfred Stauffer

28 April, 1940

1957 – Friendship Motorcycle Club receives Stauffer’s permission to run eighth-mile drag races. To cut down on number of rocks kicked up by the motorcycles, Stauffer paves starting line with concrete, a racing first. Strip is built inside of old oval track and runs parallel to Bowmansville Road, about 90 degrees from the today’s track on the spectator side.

19 October, 1958

1971 – Maple Grove gets its first Northeast Division points meet; First Pennsylvania Dutch Classic and Money Trail season series. Joe and Mike Lewis are named managers. Pit area size doubled for NHRA WCS meet, which draws 425 cars and 6,500 fans.

7 May, 1971

 

[ironpony]

i took it off my list of tracks, I am 0-2 there. rain outs. 8 hours each way.


ps i have also been rained out at Indy but that is only 3 hours so i went back the following week.