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As I recall a couple of years ago Bob Glidden built Ford engines for Geoff Bodine.As the story goes unfortunetly Bob's powerplants were very good but after a quarter mile seem to go south.
That being said if Roush-Yates builds Pro Stock Ford motors and they can last five hundred miles that will put Blue Oval back in the class.
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Correct...and those were small block Ford motors, similar in basic design to what they run in NASCAR. Obviously building a big block Ford program, from scratch, would be a huge project...even for Rousch.
Once again, the GM teams have about a 20-year head start on any possible Ford combination. Good luck with that...
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Most of the Fords motors ran in Cup come from the Yates/Rousch motor deal... with Doug Yates doing all of the overseeing.... Jack just turned over all his people to Doug to run and direct....
Doug is not to be underrated when it comes to horse power... several of his "ideas" for power were banned by nascar before hitting the track.. my understanding it was just a build combination.. no major "new" parts either... i look forward to seeing what he comes up with.....
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Doug is not to be underrated when it comes to horse power... several of his "ideas" for power were banned by nascar before hitting the track.. my understanding it was just a build combination.. no major "new" parts either... i look forward to seeing what he comes up with.....
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Dittos on that, Paul.
Johnny, you make some good points. The only thing I would interject on that is that I would guess Roush would have more resources/experience within FoMoCo that may help expedite any effort for a competitive Pro Stock combination. I would agree that any effort in that area is at a significant disadvantage, because like you said, the GM boys have a 20-year head start, but it would surely be worth something.
By the way, you gonna' be in St. Louis again this year?
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That being said if Roush-Yates builds Pro Stock Ford motors and they can last five hundred miles that will put Blue Oval back in the class.[/QUOTE]
Your talking about two completely different animals here with an assortment of variables that could take up this entire forum....But I think anytime NASCAR is interested in NHRA something good can come out of it....lets see what happens.
Your talking about two completely different animals here with an assortment of variables that could take up this entire forum....But I think anytime NASCAR is interested in NHRA something good can come out of it....lets see what happens.
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Rick Hendrick is giving Tony Stewart all of his engines for free this year ... maybe if I start a Pro Stock team Rick will do the same for me.
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To answer the question, YES Roush back in P/S is a great thing. I can't wait to see what he can do with 500cu.in.
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This appeared over at the YB site.
500 inch Pro Stock FORD.... - Yellow Bullet Forums
Interesting. Could FRP be positioning themselves to capitalize on GM and Mopar's problems. And could B. Wolfe be doing it with OPM?
George is quite pumped up about it.
500 inch Pro Stock FORD.... - Yellow Bullet Forums
Interesting. Could FRP be positioning themselves to capitalize on GM and Mopar's problems. And could B. Wolfe be doing it with OPM?
George is quite pumped up about it.
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Paul Songas said, "Anything that brings something new or different to pro stock racing is a good thing for NHRA and the fans."
How about fuel injection? That's something "new and different!"
And, 20 years overdue...
How about fuel injection? That's something "new and different!"
And, 20 years overdue...
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Flat hoods ... small displacement ... stock block, heads and crank ... EFI ... tighter body dimensions to look like stock cars ... paddle shifting ... smaller tires
That is my idea of Pro Stock of the future.
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You had me right up until "paddle shifting". If it were up to me they'd have to use a trans with a conventional clutch.
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After two rounds of qualifying they're 6 MPH off the lead and two tenths shy.
It's a nice fantasy to imagine a Ford running with the GM cars, but to do that they actually have to find better people than Warren Johnson, Victor Cagnazzi and Greg Anderson to lead them to the promised land. After they find these new super talents, they'll need to overcome 20 years of no development. Once they've done that, they'll need to outperform the consistent development of WJ, Anderson, Cagnazzi and other GM camps...which was happening while the Ford camp was trying to overcome 20 years of no development. Easy...right? Sure...just ask Allen Johnson, Larry Morgan, David Nickens and Bob Panella. These Mopar engine builders are still chasing the GM teams. They've had access to factory engineering, factory funding and tons of wind tunnel work. Chrysler even funded an all-new Pro Stock specific enging block and head configuration to compete. They're still not quite as strong as the leading GM engines. I believe the current Stratus is on it's 5th body modification. The Dodge body is still considered to be 1 MPH slower than the GM bodies. Easy...right?
Ford will struggle with funding a Pro Stock engine program. Ford, while not seeking government assistance, is mired in red ink. Their company stock has plummeted from $8.79 per share on 4/24/08 to yesterday's close of $1.58. I can't imagine stock investors will be impressed if Ford were to bankroll an NHRA Pro Stock engine program.
The Comp Plus article is an interesting and entertaining read. Time will tell, but I believe we'll find it to be more entertainment than reality.
It's a nice fantasy to imagine a Ford running with the GM cars, but to do that they actually have to find better people than Warren Johnson, Victor Cagnazzi and Greg Anderson to lead them to the promised land. After they find these new super talents, they'll need to overcome 20 years of no development. Once they've done that, they'll need to outperform the consistent development of WJ, Anderson, Cagnazzi and other GM camps...which was happening while the Ford camp was trying to overcome 20 years of no development. Easy...right? Sure...just ask Allen Johnson, Larry Morgan, David Nickens and Bob Panella. These Mopar engine builders are still chasing the GM teams. They've had access to factory engineering, factory funding and tons of wind tunnel work. Chrysler even funded an all-new Pro Stock specific enging block and head configuration to compete. They're still not quite as strong as the leading GM engines. I believe the current Stratus is on it's 5th body modification. The Dodge body is still considered to be 1 MPH slower than the GM bodies. Easy...right?
Ford will struggle with funding a Pro Stock engine program. Ford, while not seeking government assistance, is mired in red ink. Their company stock has plummeted from $8.79 per share on 4/24/08 to yesterday's close of $1.58. I can't imagine stock investors will be impressed if Ford were to bankroll an NHRA Pro Stock engine program.
The Comp Plus article is an interesting and entertaining read. Time will tell, but I believe we'll find it to be more entertainment than reality.
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U really think the stock investors know or give a sh!t that they would be bankrolling a Pro Stock engine? That is laffable. They will likely only see a line item such as "motorsports marketing". AND it will be WAY less than they are spending in NASCAR.
Also for them to be "20 years behind" GM, 2 tenths and 6 MPH is not bad.
I ask all you guys who seem to be eager to see them fail or degrade/question their effort ... what are they supposed to do? Stay home? Not even try? They have nowhere to go but up.
Pro Stock is a better place with all of the big 3 involved, so I am happy they are out there giving it a shot.
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I could live with a conventional clutch setup ... but paddle shifting is becoming more and more common on street cars, so that is why I threw that in there.
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John, you really think so? I know different.
