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Couldn't find the sportsman section so I'll ask here.

In Comp, my dad was saying that sometimes racers will lose to save their index. Why would a racer do this? If that was me I'd be like, "to h*ll with the index, I wanna win!"
 
Couldn't find the sportsman section so I'll ask here.

In Comp, my dad was saying that sometimes racers will lose to save their index. Why would a racer do this? If that was me I'd be like, "to h*ll with the index, I wanna win!"

Money! If you get CIC'd you have to make more power which happens to cost money, if you are pushing too hard on that motor as it is, any modifications to weight, torque, can harm the motor and particularly in unique combinations, that's even tougher on the pocketbook.

They don't try to lose the race, generally they judge their opponent and adjust their speed and still keep a wheel out. If they can tighten it up, they try, and because of the diversity in Comp, it's increasingly difficult. Tire spin, shift points, etc, they make the surge of the opponent harder to judge.
 
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Generally, the good Comp racers won't take a permanent CIC penalty unless the reward justifies it - winning a national event, for example, or securing a divisional race win if you need the points. Otherwise, most will avoid going more than 0.609 seconds (permanent CIC penalties kick in at 0.61 seconds under) under their index in eliminations because, as has been pointed out, finding additional horsepower costs money.
 
Thanks guys.

So, let's say your car has an index of 7.80 and you run 7.30. Then the next time you run, the index would be 7.30. Is that correct?

No, the index would remain 7.30 on the next run (in eliminations)... but, if you ran 7.29 the index would become 7.79 on your next run and unless you ran quicker than 7.20 the index would return to 7.80 for any subsequent events as it is only changed for the event you are competing at if you run less than 0.6 quicker than the index. The index is lowered by the amount over 0.5 that you run quicker than the index. so if you run 0.53 under, the index is lowered by 0.03.

However, if you run more than 0.6 under the index in eliminations the CIC will be changed permanantly by the same increment over and above the 0.6 by which you went too quick.

Hope that explains it
CP
 
I've always thought this should be well explained on the "The Basics" section of NHRA.com., the National Dragsters they give out for free at National Events, and the event programs you can buy at the Nitro Mall. Something for the casual or pro fan only to refer to while sitting at the race might keep them in the seats for what are some of the best races of the day and further enhance the overall experience of the day.
 
No, the index would remain 7.30 on the next run (in eliminations)... but, if you ran 7.29 the index would become 7.79 on your next run and unless you ran quicker than 7.20 the index would return to 7.80 for any subsequent events as it is only changed for the event you are competing at if you run less than 0.6 quicker than the index. The index is lowered by the amount over 0.5 that you run quicker than the index. so if you run 0.53 under, the index is lowered by 0.03.

However, if you run more than 0.6 under the index in eliminations the CIC will be changed permanantly by the same increment over and above the 0.6 by which you went too quick.

Hope that explains it
CP

Oh man, thanks that helps a lot!
 
And when a person is willing to take a permanent hit depends on the rounds and the situation, etc. For example at Atco this year, Frankie Aragona's teammate beat my car, driven by lee Zane, in the semis. Frankie at the time had a chance to win the national championship (since then he's done so well that the only guy who can catch him must win his last two races). Frankie, seeing that if he won the semis, he would win the race went all out in the semis, because for him that was the equivalent of the final round since his teammate had less of a chance at the national championship. On the other hand, if my car had won the semis, then Frankie would have not been as able to run all out in the semis, because he would have needed to save his index (i.e., protect his handicap) for the final round. And in doing that, he might have lost. That is in fact what happened to the driver of my car in the semis-he was trying to save index for the final and cut it too close. And just to be clear, my driver might have lost the race, but his strategy was the right one. He did what a good driver should do, try to win the round, but make sure you leave yourself in a position to win the race.

Comp is complicated because, as the example I gave you illustrates, there is a lot of strategy involved. Of all the classes in drag racing, it's probably the one that is most like circle track or road racing in terms of strategy. I hope you got a bit of a feel for how difficult driving in comp is-remember my car's best top end speed is 148.85 and in the round we ran that, our opponent's mph was over 205-it was at a national open where you can't do permanent damage to your index. And I didn't even begin to get into the strategy involved in qualifying.

All of this should illustrate just how good a racer David Rampy is. He's won so many times in comp and he works his butt off to protect his index. He's the best and the rest of us in comp just try to get close to him.
 
Ok Jenn, so he took 10 in CIC in the first round on that brain fart-but he still won the race and didn't take any permanent-the man is amazing!

I got distracted by the phone and didn't add that it's very rare that you see him make a mistake. He's won in just about all the sportsman categories I think. There was a great write up in the Digger a few months ago on him and his partnership with Stout.
 
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